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Post by Galaxie500 on January 31st 2016, 3:06 pm

NYC municipal death index listing for Bertram Klein, Kane's younger brother:



Bertram's findagrave page:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=klein&GSfn=bertram&GSiman=1&GScid=65292&GRid=151825877&


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Post by Rocketman on January 31st 2016, 9:03 pm

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ophion1031 wrote:I wonder how he got away with driving a car with no plates. Maybe he took the plates off whenever he was at home and then put them back on when he drove it? That would be very suspicious.

That would be my guess. Probably not all that uncommon back then.

Kane possessed multiple fraudulent driver's licenses and identification cards. Consequently, it doesn't seem like too much of a stretch to suggest that he may have used false plates.


Very good point.
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Post by Rocketman on January 31st 2016, 9:04 pm

If only we knew half of the skeletons in Kane's closet.
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Post by ophion1031 on February 1st 2016, 1:22 am

Rocketman wrote:If only we knew half of the skeletons in Kane's closet.

Wouldn't that be something. And I bet there are a ton. Probably more than any other Z suspect. On paper, Arthur Leigh Allen is probably the best suspect, but Kane is right up there.
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Post by Galaxie500 on June 5th 2016, 11:09 am

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Philip and Marie Newall in the New Orleans city directory, 1959 (courtesy of Ricardo Gomez):



Philip's grave:



https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=41158969&PIpi=20836805
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Post by Rocketman on June 6th 2016, 3:01 pm

Very good finds!! Do you happen to know how Philip died? Could be foul play of some sort since he was only 30. And we have another alias, King. Don't think that one was mentioned before.
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Post by ophion1031 on June 6th 2016, 11:06 pm

I wonder if Philip used different spellings of his last name. There is a Philip Oscar NEWELL Jr. in New Orleans. Other than that, I haven't found a whole lot of Newall. It is a young age to die, so it makes ya wonder if he died mysteriously or maybe had cancer or something. There was cancer "research" going on in and around New Orleans at the time, so it wouldn't surprise me if they injected random people with cancer cells without them knowing.

Somebody called "T.M." posted this on zodiacciphers.com:
"There was a Broadway showgirl named Rosemary Williams (aka Williamson) who 'allegedly' used the name "Marie Newell." She garnered some minor repute in the late 1940's as an actress and fashion model. She and Kaye moved in the same circles, and apparently frequented some of the same clubs, which lead me to speculate about a possible connection between her and Marie Newall/Newhall. I'm not as enthusiastic about (or as committed to) this theory as I was initially, so I’m holding out hope that the divorce papers will either bolster or dispel it…which, at this point, doesn’t seem especially likely."

Marie was born in 1931 and would have been in her late teens in the late 1940's, so it is possible that the quote from T.M. is correct. Perhaps she is the reason Kane ended up in Louisiana?
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Post by ophion1031 on June 6th 2016, 11:20 pm

This is Marie's father, Vasal Brown. Born July 13, 1907 and died June 2, 1939. He also died in his early 30's.

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Post by Galaxie500 on June 7th 2016, 12:18 am

ophion1031 wrote:I wonder if Philip used different spellings of his last name. There is a Philip Oscar NEWELL Jr. in New Orleans. Other than that, I haven't found a whole lot of Newall. It is a young age to die, so it makes ya wonder if he died mysteriously or maybe had cancer or something. There was cancer "research" going on in and around New Orleans at the time, so it wouldn't surprise me if they injected random people with cancer cells without them knowing.

Somebody called "T.M." posted this on zodiacciphers.com:
"There was a Broadway showgirl named Rosemary Williams (aka Williamson) who 'allegedly' used the name "Marie Newell." She garnered some minor repute in the late 1940's as an actress and fashion model. She and Kaye moved in the same circles, and apparently frequented some of the same clubs, which lead me to speculate about a possible connection between her and Marie Newall/Newhall. I'm not as enthusiastic about (or as committed to) this theory as I was initially, so I’m holding out hope that the divorce papers will either bolster or dispel it…which, at this point, doesn’t seem especially likely."

Marie was born in 1931 and would have been in her late teens in the late 1940's, so it is possible that the quote from T.M. is correct. Perhaps she is the reason Kane ended up in Louisiana?

That was me. I've subsequently recanted that theory.

Marie and Philip worked in the home construction industry. I assume this was their connection to Kane - Kane having variously been employed as a siding salesman/representative, real estate broker, and building contractor.

Philip's real name, so far as I know, was Newalk.
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Post by ophion1031 on June 7th 2016, 12:48 am

Ahhhh, that was you? Gotcha. Newalk? Maybe that is why I had such a difficult time finding info on the guy.

I wonder where the "Fink" comes in to play for Marie. Maybe that was her first husband's name? Philip was her second husband, and Kane her third.
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Post by ophion1031 on June 7th 2016, 1:20 am

Looks like Philip was born in NY (approximately 1927 or 1928) and the family was living in Manhattan in 1930. I wonder if the family moved out of state later, or if Philip moved on his own as an adult. Maybe he knew Kane? Maybe even as far back as childhood? Kane is probably 3 or 4 years older than Philip, but they could have lived close to each other. I guess none of that is relevant, probably.
EDIT: The parents never moved from NY once they settled there.

Newalk family in the 1930 census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4LH-R71

Parents were Sol and Becky Newalk, both born in Poland. Philip's siblings, all older, include: Jack (born July 12, 1914 in NY. died in 1973), Edward (born around 1916 or 1917. Went by his middle name, Martin, as a child. May have also went by the name of Milton), Rose (born around 1919 or 1920) and Annie (born around 1920 or 1921).

Sol and Becky lived on Faile Street in Bronx, NY in the 1940 census. Martin, Rose and Annie all still lived with them, but Jack and Philip were not listed as living with the parents. Sol Newalk was born May 1, 1889 in Poland and died Oct. 1974. His SSN was 062-05-8135.

Jack M. Newalk in the 1940 census:
http://www.ancestry.com/1940-census/usa/Connecticut/Jack-Newalk_4jxk5x
Living in Hartford, CT. He married his wife, Hannah (born Aug. 10, 1910. died in 1990), January 03, 1935 in Bronx, NY, and they had a daughter named Barbara who was born Feb. 2, 1938. Barbara died in 2003.


Edward Martin Newalk married Doris Wahrman, but I'm not sure when. They had a son named Rick who died Nov. 27, 1979. Edward and Doris' other children are Leslie Newalk and Lori Newalk Teitier. Edward lived in Louisiana at the time that Philip was married to Marie and living in Louisiana. He got in some trouble for some forged checks (or something similar) in 1958:

Edward's daughter Leslie, I believe she was Doris Leslie Newalk. Hmmm, Doris Jr.? Doris Leslie, if I have the right person, became Doris Leslie Rothschild. If she is the right "Leslie," she would have been born in the mid-30's, but I haven't found an exact date. Edward would have been right around 18 years old at the time.


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Post by Galaxie500 on June 7th 2016, 3:38 am

ophion1031 wrote:Looks like Philip was born in NY (approximately 1927 or 1928) and the family was living in Manhattan in 1930. I wonder if the family moved out of state later, or if Philip moved on his own as an adult. Maybe he knew Kane? Maybe even as far back as childhood? Kane is probably 3 or 4 years older than Philip, but they could have lived close to each other. I guess none of that is relevant, probably.
EDIT: The parents never moved from NY once they settled there.

Newalk family in the 1930 census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4LH-R71

Parents were Sol and Becky Newalk, both born in Poland. Philip's siblings, all older, include: Jack (born July 12, 1914 in NY. died in 1973), Edward (born around 1916 or 1917. Went by his middle name, Martin, as a child. May have also went by the name of Milton), Rose (born around 1919 or 1920) and Annie (born around 1920 or 1921).

Sol and Becky lived on Faile Street in Bronx, NY in the 1940 census. Martin, Rose and Annie all still lived with them, but Jack and Philip were not listed as living with the parents. Sol Newalk was born May 1, 1889 in Poland and died Oct. 1974. His SSN was 062-05-8135.

Jack M. Newalk in the 1940 census:
http://www.ancestry.com/1940-census/usa/Connecticut/Jack-Newalk_4jxk5x
Living in Hartford, CT. He married his wife, Hannah (born Aug. 10, 1910. died in 1990), January 03, 1935 in Bronx, NY, and they had a daughter named Barbara who was born Feb. 2, 1938. Barbara died in 2003.


Edward Martin Newalk married Doris Wahrman, but I'm not sure when. They had a son named Rick who died Nov. 27, 1979. Edward and Doris' other children are Leslie Newalk and Lori Newalk Teitier. Edward lived in Louisiana at the time that Philip was married to Marie and living in Louisiana. He got in some trouble for some forged checks (or something similar) in 1958:

Edward's daughter Leslie, I believe she was Doris Leslie Newalk. Hmmm, Doris Jr.? Doris Leslie, if I have the right person, became Doris Leslie Rothschild. If she is the right "Leslie," she would have been born in the mid-30's, but I haven't found an exact date. Edward would have been right around 18 years old at the time.



Philip Newalk petitioned to have his name changed three months later. I suspect (but obviously can't prove) that this incident was the impetus for that change.


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Post by Galaxie500 on June 7th 2016, 3:44 am

Galaxie500 wrote:
ophion1031 wrote:Looks like Philip was born in NY (approximately 1927 or 1928) and the family was living in Manhattan in 1930. I wonder if the family moved out of state later, or if Philip moved on his own as an adult. Maybe he knew Kane? Maybe even as far back as childhood? Kane is probably 3 or 4 years older than Philip, but they could have lived close to each other. I guess none of that is relevant, probably.
EDIT: The parents never moved from NY once they settled there.

Newalk family in the 1930 census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4LH-R71

Parents were Sol and Becky Newalk, both born in Poland. Philip's siblings, all older, include: Jack (born July 12, 1914 in NY. died in 1973), Edward (born around 1916 or 1917. Went by his middle name, Martin, as a child. May have also went by the name of Milton), Rose (born around 1919 or 1920) and Annie (born around 1920 or 1921).

Sol and Becky lived on Faile Street in Bronx, NY in the 1940 census. Martin, Rose and Annie all still lived with them, but Jack and Philip were not listed as living with the parents. Sol Newalk was born May 1, 1889 in Poland and died Oct. 1974. His SSN was 062-05-8135.

Jack M. Newalk in the 1940 census:
http://www.ancestry.com/1940-census/usa/Connecticut/Jack-Newalk_4jxk5x
Living in Hartford, CT. He married his wife, Hannah (born Aug. 10, 1910. died in 1990), January 03, 1935 in Bronx, NY, and they had a daughter named Barbara who was born Feb. 2, 1938. Barbara died in 2003.


Edward Martin Newalk married Doris Wahrman, but I'm not sure when. They had a son named Rick who died Nov. 27, 1979. Edward and Doris' other children are Leslie Newalk and Lori Newalk Teitier. Edward lived in Louisiana at the time that Philip was married to Marie and living in Louisiana. He got in some trouble for some forged checks (or something similar) in 1958:

Edward's daughter Leslie, I believe she was Doris Leslie Newalk. Hmmm, Doris Jr.? Doris Leslie, if I have the right person, became Doris Leslie Rothschild. If she is the right "Leslie," she would have been born in the mid-30's, but I haven't found an exact date. Edward would have been right around 18 years old at the time.



Philip Newalk petitioned to have his name changed three months later. I suspect (but obviously can't prove) that this incident was the impetus for that change.



(Long Island City Star-Journal. Oct. 10, 1961.)


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Post by Rocketman on June 7th 2016, 9:22 pm

I don't know how yall find all this stuff but kudos. It would appear that Edward went back to New York after Philip passed away or maybe a year or two after. Edward had a wife and daughter in 1958 I wonder if they lived with him in Louisiana or if they were left behind in New York. But we don't know why Edward was in Louisiana or for how long exactly. We could explore Philip more and try to find out what kind of activities he was getting into.
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Post by Rocketman on June 7th 2016, 9:24 pm

Just noticed that Edward got a two year sentence so I guess he was locked up from 1958 until 1960 and then was back in New York in 1961.
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Post by ophion1031 on June 8th 2016, 1:01 am

So who moved to Louisiana first, Philip or Edward? Edward seems like the type that would be a friend of Kane. How crazy would it be if Kane actually met Marie from being friends with Philip and/or Edward?

Edward's daughter was old enough to be out on her own by 1958. I'm not sure when his son Rick was born.

Philip's death is the one thing I want to find more information on. He died just a few weeks before Edward's sentencing.
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Post by WelshChappie on October 1st 2016, 9:53 pm

Kane had a fraudulent Licences etc but did Have Two genuine State issued Licences in CA & NV.  

 In Nevada He was issued a Licence in the Name 'Lawrence Cane' with an added stipulation attached of 'Restricted to Vision Lenses.'

 California Licence No. N3490622 under Alias Larry Cane.
 Nevada Licence No. X50002312 under Alias Lawrence Cane.

 After leaving the Bay Area He drove an Ambassador registered in the Co-Ownership of Lawrence Steven Klein & Irving Allen Klein both of 1033 Eden Bower Lane, Redwood City.

 As for Lawrence and His possibly being an informant...

A published article suggested Law Enforcement dropped pending charges against Him after, the article suggests, Kane agreed to 'Help Cops Out'.  He certainly seems to move around the Country with ease leaving one place to turn up in another under a slightly different name.

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Post by WelshChappie on October 1st 2016, 9:59 pm

Kane was once charged with resisting arrest and assault on police for an altercation in A Hotel Lobby. 

 Lawrence Plead not guilty and immediately demanded, and was granted, a trial by Jury. Kane's defense was not only successful in He being found not guilty, but the cop who was alleging the offences against Kane ended up being ordered to give an account of His actions after Lawrence successfully argued He, not the Cop, was assaulted and injured in the altercation.

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Post by WelshChappie on October 1st 2016, 10:05 pm

Galaxie500 wrote:NYC municipal death index listing for Bertram Klein, Kane's younger brother:



Bertram's findagrave page:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=klein&GSfn=bertram&GSiman=1&GScid=65292&GRid=151825877&


Lawrence was the sole surviving Offspring of Morris and Sarah, who had Three Children born to them in all and all three were Son's. Lawrence was the youngest and both His brothers predeceased Him.

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WelshChappie wrote:
Galaxie500 wrote:NYC municipal death index listing for Bertram Klein, Kane's younger brother:



Bertram's findagrave page:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=klein&GSfn=bertram&GSiman=1&GScid=65292&GRid=151825877&


Lawrence was the sole surviving Offspring of Morris and Sarah, who had Three Children born to them in all and all three were Son's. Lawrence was the youngest and both His brothers predeceased Him.

What was the 3rd son named? I only know of Kane and Bertram.
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Post by WelshChappie on October 2nd 2016, 12:33 am

All that Harvey states in His report is The Lawrence was born via Instrumental Birth, the third Son to the Union of Morris H. Klein &  Sarah (nee Benjamin Kane) with His brothers both pre deceased, One died at the age of Six, the other Ten Months.

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Post by Rocketman on October 2nd 2016, 9:23 pm

WelshChappie wrote:Kane had a fraudulent Licences etc but did Have Two genuine State issued Licences in CA & NV.  

 In Nevada He was issued a Licence in the Name 'Lawrence Cane' with an added stipulation attached of 'Restricted to Vision Lenses.'

 California Licence No. N3490622 under Alias Larry Cane.
 Nevada Licence No. X50002312 under Alias Lawrence Cane.

 After leaving the Bay Area He drove an Ambassador registered in the Co-Ownership of Lawrence Steven Klein & Irving Allen Klein both of 1033 Eden Bower Lane, Redwood City.

 As for Lawrence and His possibly being an informant...

A published article suggested Law Enforcement dropped pending charges against Him after, the article suggests, Kane agreed to 'Help Cops Out'.  He certainly seems to move around the Country with ease leaving one place to turn up in another under a slightly different name.

I think he probably was an FBI informant. It was a very very common thing back then. Maybe he was more than an informant. Maybe they gave him jobs from time to time. I wonder if his mob ties were the result of that or maybe he just liked trouble.
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Post by Rocketman on October 2nd 2016, 9:25 pm

WelshChappie wrote:All that Harvey states in His report is The Lawrence was born via Instrumental Birth, the third Son to the Union of Morris H. Klein &  Sarah (nee Benjamin Kane) with His brothers both pre deceased, One died at the age of Six, the other Ten Months.

Oh ok thanks. Makes ya wonder how the brothers would have turned out if they had lived and become adults. I hope this isn't a dumb question but what is 'Instrumental Birth'? I have never heard of that before.
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Post by WelshChappie on October 2nd 2016, 9:50 pm

Rocketman wrote:
WelshChappie wrote:All that Harvey states in His report is The Lawrence was born via Instrumental Birth, the third Son to the Union of Morris H. Klein &  Sarah (nee Benjamin Kane) with His brothers both pre deceased, One died at the age of Six, the other Ten Months.

Oh ok thanks. Makes ya wonder how the brothers would have turned out if they had lived and become adults. I hope this isn't a dumb question but what is 'Instrumental Birth'? I have never heard of that before.


 Umm, when they use instruments to deliver the baby.  Just means it isn't a natural Birth that's all.

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Post by ophion1031 on October 3rd 2016, 3:41 am

WelshChappie wrote:
Rocketman wrote:
WelshChappie wrote:All that Harvey states in His report is The Lawrence was born via Instrumental Birth, the third Son to the Union of Morris H. Klein &  Sarah (nee Benjamin Kane) with His brothers both pre deceased, One died at the age of Six, the other Ten Months.

Oh ok thanks. Makes ya wonder how the brothers would have turned out if they had lived and become adults. I hope this isn't a dumb question but what is 'Instrumental Birth'? I have never heard of that before.


 Umm, when they use instruments to deliver the baby.  Just means it isn't a natural Birth that's all.


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