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Post by ophion1031 on August 11th 2015, 10:50 pm










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Post by ophion1031 on June 19th 2016, 2:34 am

There was a March 27, 1971 article with the header of "Zodiac victim's death site found" in the Wilmington, Deleware Morning News. I can't access the newspaper. Can anyone else access it and see what is says?

This link might take you to it...
https://www.newspapers.com/image/156489007/?terms=Zodiac%2Bsuspect%2Bcleared

It should say "possible Zodiac victim" and I am wondering why it says a death site was found when Donna's death site was never located and her body was never found.
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Post by WelshChappie on October 23rd 2016, 10:07 am

I have the full report compiled by a private investigator hired by Donna's Sister to look into Her disappearance. It's quite interesting some of the findings.

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Post by ophion1031 on October 23rd 2016, 8:12 pm

WelshChappie wrote:I have the full report compiled by a private investigator hired by Donna's Sister to look into Her disappearance. It's quite interesting some of the findings.

Oh, wow. This PI was someone other than Harvey Hines?
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Post by WelshChappie on October 23rd 2016, 8:57 pm

ophion1031 wrote:
WelshChappie wrote:I have the full report compiled by a private investigator hired by Donna's Sister to look into Her disappearance. It's quite interesting some of the findings.

Oh, wow. This PI was someone other than Harvey Hines?

Yes. Harvey investigated the Lass disappearance on His own personal time and free of charge. Donna's family hired and paid a PI to look into Donna's disappearance in extensive depth. 

 I think the reason for them doing this may likely have connection to a statement Harvey makes in His report where He states the following:

 


 If no search was conducted by Law Enforcement, then they obviously didn't take Donna's disappearance seriously and therefore would make sense for the family to turn to other sources such as A PI.

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Post by ophion1031 on October 23rd 2016, 10:24 pm

Wow, how the hell could LE just sit back and not search for her???

Have you read about the guy who had lived with Donna in California? I want to say it was a guy and his wife or girlfriend, and they shared a house or apartment with Donna before she moved to Nevada. I forget the guy's name and the details of why he was interesting, but I do remember thinking he made for an interesting suspect. I'm pretty sure it was Morf's site where I read about this guy.
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Post by sandy betts on November 3rd 2016, 6:18 am

They were the lowe's. I believe that was one of my posts you read at Morf's site. Ricardo and I went to lake Tahoe a few yrs ago,found that information and the fact that the Lowe's had a real estate company on the main strip towards the casino's. That is where Donna lived with them. I knew Harvey Hines who showed me a copy of the Lass card,he told me where he and Dave Peterson went to look for Donna's body.
So I went to that location myself with a friend and found where I believe Zodiac put her, it was a hole on the side of a mountain that had running water way down deep. It was covered by a very thick wooden plank, too heavy for me to lift. It was among pine trees, so it fit the clue that Zodiac gave. That was at Claire Tappin Lodge in Norden, Shingle Springs.( Another water connection that Zodiac likes to have) The reason that Lake Tahoe police didn't search for her body right away , was that there was a down pour of heavy snow at that time, they did say they would look in the spring time when the snow had melted. Not sure if they ever did look for her though? There was a doctor that disappeared shortly after Donna. I wonder if the police thought they were together and didn't want to be found? Or did Zodiac plan for it to look that way and he kidnapped the doctor as well ?

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Post by ophion1031 on November 5th 2016, 8:08 pm

Larry Lowe, that's right. I thought Donna had lived with the Lowe's in the Sacramento area for some reason.

Sandy, do you know if police have searched the area you found? It sounds like Donna very well could have been thrown down there and it needs to be searched.
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Post by sandy betts on November 5th 2016, 10:29 pm

Larry Lowe, I stumbled onto where I thought she could be by accident. It was only a hunch I had , so no I never reported it to the police. I have had to call the police so many times and became very frustrated with them over the years. Its like they don't want to believe anything. For instance my suspect wrote on my car 7-4-69 I hate you f u (He signed it) z....c. ( With a very fancy Z) When I showed that to the police the comment was : What adult male would do that, come on now.
I use to cry a lot because my stalker wouldn't stop tormenting me, now I fight back and carry a gun for my protection. If the police can't protect me I will do it myself.
Sorry got off topic, bottom line , no the police have never looked for Donna as far as I know.

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Post by Metal Years on November 5th 2016, 11:50 pm

Waz it written on the car with a marker/ink pen like on Bryan H's Karman Ghia?

I'm not a huge fan of LE. If they want to mess with somebody, no power on earth can stop them but if they don't feel like fooling with a situation, a person could literally get away with anything. This opinion is based on experience and observation.

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Post by Sick E. Von Brutal on November 6th 2016, 12:40 am

Metal Years wrote:Waz it written on the car with a marker/ink pen like on Bryan H's Karman Ghia?

I'm not a huge fan of LE. If they want to mess with somebody, no power on earth can stop them but if they don't feel like fooling with a situation, a person could literally get away with anything. This opinion is based on experience and observation.

haha yeah cops can kiss my hairy ass!
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Post by Sick E. Von Brutal on November 6th 2016, 12:41 am

sandy betts wrote:Larry Lowe, I stumbled onto where I thought she could be by accident. It was only a hunch I had , so no I never reported it to the police. I have had to call the police so many times and became very frustrated with them over the years. Its like they don't want to believe anything. For instance my suspect wrote on my car 7-4-69 I hate you f u  (He signed it)  z....c. ( With a very fancy Z) When I showed that to the police the comment was : What adult male would do that, come on now.
I use to cry a lot because my stalker wouldn't stop tormenting me, now I fight back and carry a gun for my protection. If the police can't protect me I will do it myself.
Sorry got off topic, bottom line , no the police have never looked for Donna as far as I know.

what do you mean 'a very fancy z?' was it similar to the bates letters at all? or anything like the writing from the exorcist letter?
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Post by sandy betts on November 6th 2016, 5:50 am

Metal Years wrote:Waz it written on the car with a marker/ink pen like on Bryan H's Karman Ghia?

I'm not a huge fan of LE. If they want to mess with somebody, no power on earth can stop them but if they don't feel like fooling with a situation, a person could literally get away with anything. This opinion is based on experience and observation.


No it wasn't written with a felt tipped pen like Hartnells car, it was ,more like a grease pen or a green crayon? My car was a 1967 dark green Firebird. It had rained and what ever he used didn't come off or run from the rain. We tried to take a picture of it , by putting a white towel on the inside of the drivers window, but it is still hard to see. Some of the writing was on the window the rest was on the hood close to the fender near the windshield. He wrote what I believe had to be the word Zodiac, but you could only make out the fancy Z and the last letter C. In between was in cursive but sort of a scribble. The fancy Z was like the Z at the bottom of the Cheri Jo Bates "confession letter". ( It had what I would say was a curly que at the top of the Z almost like what a female would write. That has been said about some of Zodiac's writings. I don't remember if he wrote his logo or not , but I don't think he did? The only time he has drawn his logo for me that I can remember , was a couple of yrs ago and that was put on a small piece of white paper and taped to the step on my front porch. I would have thought that it was a sick joke, but I ran into him driving next to me a bout a hour before.
That same fancy z is another reason that I believe the bates crime was a Zodiac crime.

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Post by sandy betts on November 6th 2016, 6:03 am

Sorry Eric X, I missed answering directly to your question, but the answer is it was more like the bottom of the confession letter.

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Post by Rocketman on November 6th 2016, 7:45 pm

sandy betts wrote:Sorry Eric X, I missed answering directly to your question, but the answer is it was more like the bottom of the confession letter.

Have you seen the letter posted here somewhere that was sent to Jack Ruby after he murdered LHO? If so, what is your take on it? To me it looks like the same person wrote that and the Bates letters.
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Post by sandy betts on November 6th 2016, 9:36 pm

Rocketman, I did just look at the Jack Ruby letter, there were many letters that were like Zodiac's in that letter. But the lower case d was not at all like the d's in any of Zodiac's letters. It had some of the same sort of tone, except I think he would have said gun shot to the head instead of gut.That is just my take on it.

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Post by sandy betts on November 6th 2016, 9:48 pm

The link below is the Press Enterprise article about the 50th anniversary of Cheri Jo Bates murder.








http://www.pe.com/articles/bates-817672-zodiac-case.html






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Post by ophion1031 on November 8th 2016, 12:17 am

sandy betts wrote:The link below is the Press Enterprise article about the 50th anniversary of Cheri Jo Bates murder.

http://www.pe.com/articles/bates-817672-zodiac-case.html





Great article!!!
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Post by ophion1031 on November 8th 2016, 12:18 am

sandy betts wrote:Rocketman, I did just look at the Jack Ruby letter, there were many letters that were like Zodiac's in that letter. But the lower case d was not at all like the d's in any of Zodiac's letters. It had some of the same sort of tone, except I think he would have said gun shot to the head instead of gut.That is just my take on it.

I am 99% convinced the same person wrote the Bates letters and the letter to Ruby. There are differences, but a lot of similarities and it's really just a feeling I have. The person who posted that at Morf's site said (I think) that it was someone from the Minutemen who wrote the letter to Ruby.
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Post by sandy betts on November 9th 2016, 11:25 am

You could be correct that they were from the same person, I am far from being a handwriting expert. I saw many more similarities in the Ramsey ransom note ,as well as clues about the Zodiac. No one else noticed, the writing was so much like Zodiac, except that he now has very shaky hands. They were shaky at Lake Berryessa as well. John Ramsey has a office in south S.F. called "Access Graphics".

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Post by ophion1031 on November 9th 2016, 7:55 pm

sandy betts wrote:You could be correct that they were from the same person, I am far from being a handwriting expert. I saw many more similarities in the Ramsey ransom note ,as well as clues about the Zodiac. No one else noticed, the writing was so much like Zodiac, except that he now has very shaky hands. They were shaky at Lake Berryessa as well. John Ramsey has a office in south S.F. called "Access Graphics".

Whoa, seriously? I have done no research on the Ramsey case and didn't even know about any letters. I'll have to check that out now. It makes me think about the "Orange Theory" that a guy told me about. He thinks some group of people are tied to a bunch of different things such as Zodiac, the anthrax thing years ago, and I forget what else. Maybe he is right and the Ramsey murder is a part of it.
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Post by ophion1031 on November 9th 2016, 7:56 pm

Here is a thread (including a video) on the Orange Theory...

http://zodiackiller.forumotion.com/t664-the-orange-theory
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Post by sandy betts on November 9th 2016, 10:15 pm

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sandy betts wrote:You could be correct that they were from the same person, I am far from being a handwriting expert. I saw many more similarities in the Ramsey ransom note ,as well as clues about the Zodiac. No one else noticed, the writing was so much like Zodiac, except that he now has very shaky hands. They were shaky at Lake Berryessa as well. John Ramsey has a office in south S.F. called "Access Graphics".

Whoa, seriously? I have done no research on the Ramsey case and didn't even know about any letters. I'll have to check that out now. It makes me think about the "Orange Theory" that a guy told me about. He thinks some group of people are tied to a bunch of different things such as Zodiac, the anthrax thing years ago, and I forget what else. Maybe he is right and the Ramsey murder is a part of it.

The "3" page ransom note had words from the Dirty Harry movie in it ( That movie was about Zodiac). I was on that movie set ,because I was dating the lighting director, Bill Curtis. We brought the camera car up to SF from LA, Clint's stand in was named Sandy.
In one of the pageant videos, I saw some man off to the right who looked like he was doing some sort of construction work . It didn't show his face only from about the waist down. I noticed that his body turned to look towards the direction of Jon Benet. I got a creepy feeling that was her killer. I don't know when that pageant was in comparison to when she was murdered. The person I have for a Zodiac suspect is not a large man, he could make it through the basement window with ease. I didn't have a computer in Dec 1996 , so when I received a phone call from my granddaughter from WA., I listened intently to what she said she saw on her computer. She said that it was a picture of Jon Benet's body , with a baseball bat next to her . Below the picture was 6 symbols like a cypher. I asked her to describe the symbols to me. I wrote them down as she told them to me. According to the solved cypher that the Harden's solved, the word spelled out "Zodiac". I should of had her take a picture of what she found and send it to me.Or for her to call the police asap. From then on I looked at that case as a possible Zodiac case. She was not raped nor was there a robbery. The killer was smart enough to use Patsy Ramsey pen and paper to write his note on. I thought about the Cheri Jo Bates letter written to her father, it reminded me of the ransom note written to Jon Benet's father.
Most killings are for Sex, Money, revenge. Both of the letters written to the victims fathers made me think it was revenge.
The crime scene picture showing a baseball bat next to her body, yet that bat was found outside by the police? That tells me the killer took that picture showing the bat and he took the bat with him and put it outside when he left. Colorado was mentioned to the victims at Lake Berryessa, did Zodiac have connections to Colorado?

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Post by ophion1031 on November 9th 2016, 11:02 pm

Damn, that's crazy! I didn't even know about a note or a cipher that was left. Definitely has a Zodiac feel to it. I think there is a good chance of a Colorado connection, especially since it is said that Hatrnell originally did say "Colorado" and not Montana. I wish we could somehow clarify that. I remember researching someone who had lived in Colorado before moving to California. I want to say it was Larry Lowe, but I think that may be incorrect. I'll look around and see if I can figure out who it was that had lived in Colorado. I think it may have been someone who had a parent living in CO and another parent that had moved to California after their divorce.

EDIT: I don't even know where to look. I may not have even posted info on this guy here. Maybe at Morf's site, but I don't remember. I don't think the person I was researching had any ties to the Z case that I could find... I research a lot of people for one tiny coincidence and then often times I do not post about them. I'll keep looking, but I don't think I'm going to find anything.
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Post by sandy betts on November 10th 2016, 1:21 pm

I think that I am being misunderstood? No one but my granddaughter ever saw the picture of the body and the bat next to it and the cypher under the picture, that I know of? So that is why you didn't know about that.
She found it when she was looking up serial killers and just stumbled across it by accident. She was never able to find it again. The person who put it there must have removed it right a way?

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