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Post by ophion1031 on September 1st 2015, 1:36 am

This is pretty ridiculous if you ask me! But worth reading for the entertainment value of it I suppose.


http://prophecyexperimentalzone.blogspot.com/2015/05/agatha-christie-zodiac-killer-02-how.html
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Post by The Conquerer on September 2nd 2015, 9:14 pm

Some people actually believe the b.s. they publish online. That's the sad part.
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Post by ophion1031 on September 12th 2015, 10:11 pm

I have read some things about Bryan that make him seem like a rotten person. Nothing I will post publicly, though, because he is still living and I don't know if these things are true or not.
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Post by Sick E. Von Brutal on May 8th 2016, 9:27 pm

that might be one of the dumbest things i have read in my life.
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Post by WelshChappie on September 28th 2016, 3:15 am

Was Mr Hartnell behind the Zodiac Crimes? 

 Obviously! He donned the hood, bound His hands behind His back then set about stabbing Himself 6 times in the back! If Bryan can incapacitate Himself before attacking Himself with a kitchen knife (You know, we've all been there) then He is A Deranged Expert contortionist who's knows in advance that knifing Himself SIX times with 12" blade is going to be the easiest thing in the World to survive. 

 Yes, off He goes not but Two weeks later to 'Do His Thing' in the confines of a Yellow Cab. Poor Kid must have been in agony still, no wonder Fouke observed a shuffling gait with a limping like lurching motion, Bryan's stitches were still in place and here He is running up steps to evade SFPD finest. . .Officer Don Fouke Off.

 Bryan couldn't have committed the Crime at Lake B, He was far too busy wondering if He can squeeze a Sociology Paper out of this experience, exactly what I Myself would be mulling over as I am held at gunpoint by A Nut wearing A cerial box on His head covered with black cloth. 

 No, hang on! Wait a moment... No that wouldn't Be what I would be doing. I'd have vacated that Island when Z first stepped from behind His Tree & into My view. My Female companion would say with concern: "Oh My God He's got a Gun!" At which point i'd throw Her at Zodiac with an 'All the Best, I'm off!" before throwing Myself into The Lake swimming like I'm in the Olympics. 

 Bryan Hartnell is a Gentleman who was concerned for His female companion. 

 Alex Lewis operates on different mentality of, soon as Z appears. . . 'Every man for Himself (And Woman, they want equality with Men, it goes for everything!)" 

Fight Nutcase off My Dear whilst I abscond in fear! Tally-Ho!
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Post by ophion1031 on September 28th 2016, 9:20 pm

Hahahaha!!! I have read some things that make Hartwell seem like a crooked lawyer, but I seriously doubt he had anything to do with the Zodiac crimes. Can you imagine planning this attack and telling your friend "stab me a bunch of times but make sure I don't die. Kill the girl though."

Hartnell was at that lake for one reason and one reason only... to get some ass! Just kidding.

PS thanks for the cereal box idea. Now I can be Zodiac for Halloween!
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Post by WelshChappie on October 1st 2016, 6:56 am

ophion1031 wrote:Hahahaha!!! I have read some things that make Hartwell seem like a crooked lawyer, but I seriously doubt he had anything to do with the Zodiac crimes. Can you imagine planning this attack and telling your friend "stab me a bunch of times but make sure I don't die. Kill the girl though."

Hartnell was at that lake for one reason and one reason only... to get some ass! Just kidding.

PS thanks for the cereal box idea. Now I can be Zodiac for Halloween!

Hartnell had nothing to do with what happened to Him or the Z crimes in general. He's intelligent enough to secure a Law Degree yet believes it's a good idea to conspire to have Himself knifed repeatedly and knifed with not a 3 or 4 inch blade, oh no, but a kitchen knife almost long enough to penetrate right through His torso.

 Bryan did get a shock one day at His Office when His Secretary buzzed Him to request He come to the front office as there was A Gentleman there needing Legal Representation and said He knew Bryan. Bryan went out to see who it was and to His shock saw, standing waiting to greet Him, none other than Michael Mageau.
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Post by Rocketman on October 2nd 2016, 12:01 am

WelshChappie wrote:
ophion1031 wrote:Hahahaha!!! I have read some things that make Hartwell seem like a crooked lawyer, but I seriously doubt he had anything to do with the Zodiac crimes. Can you imagine planning this attack and telling your friend "stab me a bunch of times but make sure I don't die. Kill the girl though."

Hartnell was at that lake for one reason and one reason only... to get some ass! Just kidding.

PS thanks for the cereal box idea. Now I can be Zodiac for Halloween!

Hartnell had nothing to do with what happened to Him or the Z crimes in general. He's intelligent enough to secure a Law Degree yet believes it's a good idea to conspire to have Himself knifed repeatedly and knifed with not a 3 or 4 inch blade, oh no, but a kitchen knife almost long enough to penetrate right through His torso.

 Bryan did get a shock one day at His Office when His Secretary buzzed Him to request He come to the front office as there was A Gentleman there needing Legal Representation and said He knew Bryan. Bryan went out to see who it was and to His shock saw, standing waiting to greet Him, none other than Michael Mageau.

Agreed!
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Post by WelshChappie on October 2nd 2016, 1:42 am

Yes, I can just see it now. Bryan Conspiring to have Himself stabbed but not die saying...

 "Now You stab me in a way that won't kill Me. We'll use this 56 thousand inch long kitchen knife to improve odds of not dying within 30 seconds and, yes, before I forget, make sure you get your sewing kit out and stitch in a white Cross-Hair so we can blame this on an attack by 'Zodiac'. And don't forget, leave imprints in the ground from your Moon-Walkers to throw Pigs off. Ok Ok, Wing-Walkers, whatever just remember, when you stab Me, do so in a gentle manner once or twice at most. What intellectually great people we are. This plan is going to fool everyone because you stabbing the shit outa Me in a freak frenzy will divert suspicion. Such a brilliant plan can only come from an IQ of 168 which is classed as 'Genius' level. 

 Maybe Paul Stine conspired too. "Pssst! Pssst! Hey, Hey You! Yes, You, the Nutcase Zodiac Bloke! Come Here, I have an offer for you! Would you be interested in shooting Me in the Head politely so I can then make a claim for Workers Compensation. Nothing can go wrong!"
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Post by WelshChappie on October 2nd 2016, 1:49 am

Fool Proof! All Zodiac will need now to get His share of the compensation from Paul is a device called A Ouija Board. Call out for the Spirit of Co Conspirator Paul...Are you there. 

 **Planchette Moveth!! 

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 P......L.......A......N..
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.B....R.I.....L.L....I...A....N..T

  P.....R....I.....C...K!!
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Post by WelshChappie on October 2nd 2016, 1:59 am

Bryan was there to smooch with His Lady friend. All the way out there to fornicate, bit of a inconvenience in My view especially when there's a homicidal looney-bin waiting to dispatch any would be fondling young people.

 Bryan had a Girlfriend and was concerned She'd see news coverage and discover He was there with another girl.....alone.....

 I would imagine when news broke naming Bryan as the victim His girlfriend screeched "No, not my Darling Bryan!!" Then news goes on "Mr Hartnell was alone in a secluded area with Cecelia Shepard, a fellow Co-Ed....."

 Girlfriend: "BASTARD!!! YOU WAIT TILL YOU GET BACK HOME YOU CHEATING 2 TIMING.......LAW STUDENT! 

She'd be issuing Her own press statement asking Zodiac to ring 1800-please try again!
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Post by Rocketman on October 2nd 2016, 9:15 pm

To be fair, I think it did seem like a romantic getaway for Bryan and Cecilia even though Bryan had a girlfriend. If you take a girl to the lake to have a picnic and you are sharing a blanket then you are trying to get laid plain and simple. That is not something that 'friends' do. But I don't think that really matters. He did become a lawyer and we all know how trustworthy that lot are lol.

I don't think there is any way that Bryan had anything to do with Z other than being a victim but I did read the link posted to the article and I like to entertain all theories so I read it with an open mind. I just don't agree with it.

Does anyone remember seeing on another site something about a link between Hartnell and Mr. X? Just curious as to what that link was and if it is valid because I forget what it was.
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Post by WelshChappie on October 2nd 2016, 10:31 pm

Yes well B.H did say He ran into Cecelia in the cafeteria of and stated they would both soon be  parting ways as Cecelia was leaving to attend University of California: Riverside while Bryan headed or another.  Although I cannot envision Law Graduate Gentleman Bryan Hartnell approaching Cecelia with a "Hi Babe, what say You and I take a trip to Berryessa to give you A Going away gift you will not forget?

 When Zodiac approached I imagine Bryan almost wanting to begin proceedings with: "Hey Mack, Here's the Deal!  You and that empty box of coco pops you have on your head are seriously making My chance of Scoring far less than if you Go Away. I couldn't care where you escaped from, who you killed in doing so & what needs you have to get to Mekkkk-Eeee-Cooooo.  Go away before your presence gives My Girl here a headache because Man to Man, We know what that spells . . .Disaster!"

 I don't take girls to lake-sides to get action, I have another fail-safe way. It's easy. I simply give a woman them three little Words that women love to hear  & will get them into the sack with ease.....  "National Lottery Winner!"

 One I issue these magic words they throw themselves into the Bed.  Later when they mention they really like a 22 crt Gold Necklace in the catalog for $499.99 I tell them: "Steady on there now My Love because when I say 'National Lottery Winner' I mean I Won Two Pounds on a scratch-card"

 I have lost count at how many slaps across the face this revelation has got Me. Hehe
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Post by ophion1031 on October 3rd 2016, 3:38 am

WelshChappie wrote:Yes well B.H did say He ran into Cecelia in the cafeteria of and stated they would both soon be  parting ways as Cecelia was leaving to attend University of California: Riverside while Bryan headed or another.  Although I cannot envision Law Graduate Gentleman Bryan Hartnell approaching Cecelia with a "Hi Babe, what say You and I take a trip to Berryessa to give you A Going away gift you will not forget?

 When Zodiac approached I imagine Bryan almost wanting to begin proceedings with: "Hey Mack, Here's the Deal!  You and that empty box of coco pops you have on your head are seriously making My chance of Scoring far less than if you Go Away. I couldn't care where you escaped from, who you killed in doing so & what needs you have to get to Mekkkk-Eeee-Cooooo.  Go away before your presence gives My Girl here a headache because Man to Man, We know what that spells . . .Disaster!"

 I don't take girls to lake-sides to get action, I have another fail-safe way. It's easy. I simply give a woman them three little Words that women love to hear  & will get them into the sack with ease.....  "National Lottery Winner!"

 One I issue these magic words they throw themselves into the Bed.  Later when they mention they really like a 22 crt Gold Necklace in the catalog for $499.99 I tell them: "Steady on there now My Love because when I say 'National Lottery Winner' I mean I Won Two Pounds on a scratch-card"

 I have lost count at how many slaps across the face this revelation has got Me. Hehe

I think that IF Bryan and Cecilia had anything romantic going on then it was probably happening for a couple months or longer. Most lawyers have no morals... Twisted Evil

I agree, when Zodiac walked over to their picnic blanket, Bryan went into full lawyer mode.

National lottery winner, huh? How about giving your old pal a loan? Haha, no I'm kidding. But in all seriousness, you just reminded me that I bought a few lotto scratchers a week and a half ago and completely forgot about them. Gonna have to see if I won anything when I get home from work.
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Post by Don Pseuym on October 3rd 2016, 9:18 am

did you see the photo of cecilia with the very short boy like haircut ?
when was that going on ?
seems to me to grow her hair back long could take 5+ years
How long was her hair that day ,because from 50 ' and from the side or back it would have looked like two guys together IMO with that hair style

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Post by ophion1031 on October 3rd 2016, 10:30 pm

I could be mistaken but I think her hair was only about shoulder length at the time of her murder.
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Post by Don Pseuym on October 5th 2016, 7:22 am

odd that they chose a spot that was only visible on the water and a picture back then shows it in very dark shade ,that would be hard to see unless a boat was very near them .

I guess Bryan was a catch though , she maybe trying to get it going again

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Post by Rocketman on October 5th 2016, 8:20 pm

The Mr. X link I not remember had something to do with Hartnell's car. I don't remember specifics but I think someone found that Mr. X had a link to the car. I will try to find the postings about it from Morf's site.
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Post by Galaxie500 on October 6th 2016, 6:18 am

Rocketman wrote:The Mr. X link I not remember had something to do with Hartnell's car. I don't remember specifics but I think someone found that Mr. X had a link to the car. I will try to find the postings about it from Morf's site.

http://zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?t=1069&p=21394

mike_r:

"The car was owned by an ex-employee of KQ's Portland dealership, who apparently bought cars from the dealership and resold them. A Ghia with Oregon plates would by definition have been imported by the Q family. Seeing one at LB would have brought that to mind immediately to someone who knew that KQ was the importer of VW's to the entire NW. Imagine if someone Gyke knew had anything to do with that car. It would be a huge stake in the coffin! But with KQ, I guess you have to "put it in perspective."
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Post by WelshChappie on October 8th 2016, 11:45 am

On a serious note, what Z did to Cecelia shows evidence seen only in this knife attack that the man responsible was a sadist because he deliberately caused injury that was not simply to bring on death in this instance but also, excruciating pain and suffering. He plunged one of the knife wounds into Cecelia's groin and the poor girl was found by DAve Collins on her knees, arms folded around her chest and rocking back and forth repeating "It hurts, it hurts so bad." This is what the Zodiac is about and why I see Him as a total coward and I won't be found amongst the members of the zodiac fan club.
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Post by ophion1031 on October 9th 2016, 2:26 am

WelshChappie wrote:On a serious note, what Z did to Cecelia shows evidence seen only in this knife attack that the man responsible was a sadist because he deliberately caused injury that was not simply to bring on death in this instance but also, excruciating pain and suffering. He plunged one of the knife wounds into Cecelia's groin and the poor girl was found by DAve Collins on her knees, arms folded around her chest and rocking back and forth repeating "It hurts, it hurts so bad."  This is what the Zodiac is about and why I see Him as a total coward and I won't be found amongst the members of the zodiac fan club.

I agree. I still think it was more than one person, but I think the killer AND the "partner" were both like this. And the guy I think was the partner would fit right into that category if it is true that he was the Santa Rosa Hitchhiker killer, which I am 99% sure he was.
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Post by WelshChappie on October 9th 2016, 10:31 am

Well Lake Herman Road Incident: No obvious or deliberate signs or evidence pointing to a sadistic individual. 

 Blue Rock Springs: Again, walks up to Vehicle, opens fire with what appears to simply be a 'shoot to kill' approach/mentality.

 Berryessa: Exception to the rule, a spanner thrown into how Zodiac Works. Sadistic attack where the placement of stabbing plunges themselves speak to a man who get's pleasure from seeing others in pain. Bryan recalled hearing Zodiac, in Bryan's words, "Grunting" while stabbing Cecelia and said it was like He went into a complete frenzy!

 Oct 11 and 14 short days later, one single kill shot issued, no apparent desire or care for anything of a sadistic nature.


 I suppose those who champion the belief or theory that Zodiac was not responsible for the Berryessa attack do have a point.
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Post by ophion1031 on October 9th 2016, 11:20 pm

One thing I think is possible is that Zodiac started out doing everything himself, or maybe his partner(s) knew what was going on and didn't have as much to do with it until after LHR and BRS. Maybe the partner(s) got a little more involved with Berryessa and the Stine murder. I think LHR and BRS seem like the same killer and seem like it was just one person acting alone, but Berryessa and the Stine murder just seem to be too different in nature. Berryessa maybe not so much because it was once again a couple who were attacked, but this is when the outfit is introduced and the writing on Hartnell's car was certainly something new.

I wonder... when did the whole Zodiac thing come to be? Was it thought up before LHR or was "Zodiac" not even something that was thought up until later? I kinda think it was sometime after the double murder at LHR.
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Post by WelshChappie on October 11th 2016, 9:09 am

Yeah but it's not only The MO that changes at Lake B. that is different from the usual Z attacks, it's several things with one of the biggest discrepancies being, The Composite. 

 The Lake Berryessa Composite cannot be more different from the Presidio Heights One and these two faces, we are asked to believe, are of One Offender. There is Two weeks between Lake B. & Presidio Heights yet Zodiac morf's from an overweight, bulky 250lb fatty into, two short weeks later, a Medium-Heavy Build, thick set Man with a barrel chest.  

Here is the 'Same Suspect' Composites...

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Post by ophion1031 on October 11th 2016, 9:37 pm

Agreed! And that is something I have always thought is highly probable... I have always thought that Kane was the best likeness to the Berryessa sketch and looks nothing like the Stine sketch. There is a guy in the "secret suspect" section that is a perfect match to the Stine sketch, but I can't find much info about him.

The two sketches not matching could mean a few things... Here is one idea... The Berryessa sketch is not Zodiac, but just some creepy dude at the lake that day. If true, the creepy dude could have been there with Z. I have a gut feeling that maybe ALA, Kane and Manalli were working together and that all three of them were at Berryessa that day.
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