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Post by ophion1031 on June 1st 2016, 1:34 am

1967 Clay Shaw interview.

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Post by Rocketman on June 1st 2016, 7:42 pm

I saw a very good documentary the other day that I was going to post and forgot. If I can remember the name I will post it. It had some info I was never aware of.
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Post by ophion1031 on June 6th 2016, 8:46 pm

Check out this link...

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=136096#relPageId=6&tab=page

Jack Ruby was begging to be taken to Washington to "spill the beans" on what really happened.
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Post by ophion1031 on June 6th 2016, 9:57 pm

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/

Box 19-20 link will get you to letters mailed to Jack Ruby, which includes the two letters believed to be written by someone in the Minutemen that resemble the Bates letters.

I am reading through all of these letters now. It's funny that most people wrote Ruby telling him he is a hero, not knowing what a real piece of shit he really was, or without knowing he was sent to assassinate Oswald to silence him.

Check out this letter I found from a Mr. Tom Goodrich. Handwriting is a little bit like the Zodiac letters, eh?

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Post by ophion1031 on June 6th 2016, 10:14 pm

That Tom Goodrich may have went to college in California, assuming this is the right Thomas D. Goodrich of NYC. The guy I found passed away Nov. 5, 2015. Here is his obit: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/delawareonline/obituary.aspx?pid=176402350

Looks like he was only living in California in the early 50's.

I'm 99% certain that is the right guy who wrote that letter to Ruby.
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Post by ophion1031 on June 7th 2016, 12:41 am

There's no postmark on this one, but I do know it was mailed while Ruby was on trial; must have been Feb. 1964?



This guy even says "a man cannot shoot 3 bullets in 5 seconds" and then accuses Ruby of killing JFK.
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Post by JohnFester on June 26th 2016, 8:25 pm

Maybe someone can refresh my memory. There was something about a cop or FBI agent staking out some guys who were transporting guns and the two guys had a car accident with a trunk full of weapons shortly before the assassination. There was some sort of connection to Jack Ruby I want to say. Does anyone know what I'm talking about?
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Post by ophion1031 on June 26th 2016, 10:50 pm

JohnFester wrote:Maybe someone can refresh my memory. There was something about a cop or FBI agent staking out some guys who were transporting guns and the two guys had a car accident with a trunk full of weapons shortly before the assassination. There was some sort of connection to Jack Ruby I want to say. Does anyone know what I'm talking about?

I know exactly what you're talking about, but I don't know the names of any of these people. I think one of the guys had been walked by Oswald when he was in his cell after the assassination and Oswald recognized him even though the guys face was all beat up. Let me see if I can find the details...
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Post by ophion1031 on June 26th 2016, 10:52 pm

John Elrod was the cellmate of Oswald after the assassination. I'm sure this has been posted before, but in case it hasn't, here is a nice read on the Elrod story:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/elrod.htm

Elrod is the one who claimed that Oswald identified Lawrence Miller as he was taken by the cell Oswald and Elrod were in and that Miller's face looked beaten up, which it was from the accident he was in a couple nights prior to the assassination. I can't seem to find all of the details on this, but to the best of my knowledge, there was some gun exchange where John Masen (a gun store owner who resembled and may have impersonated Oswald... Masen was a member of the Minutemen) had supplied a trunk full of weapons to Lawrence Miller and Donnell Whitter. I actually first read about this years back in an interview with the FBI agent who had witnessed the exchange. I forget his name now. Anyways, after the exchange, there was a chase that lead Whitter to crash the car he was driving. I forget the details after that, but I believe it is discussed in the link I posted. Supposedly, Whitter was Jack Ruby's mechanic and I think there was a link between Ruby and Lawrence Miller. I wish I could find the interview with the FBI agent, because it talked about why he was there and how he was shocked when JFK was assassinated just a couple days (?) later. I want to say that he was staking out Masen and was trying to nail him for gun running.
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Re: The assassination of John F. Kennedy

Post by Eric X on October 26th 2016, 3:52 am

the warren commission refusing to interview any witnesses is proof of conspiracy imo
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Post by WelshChappie on October 28th 2016, 4:59 pm

Eric X wrote:the warren commission refusing to interview any witnesses is proof of conspiracy imo

 The primary investigating agency that Investigated the JFK assassination was The FBI. The same agency that was headed up by J. Edgar Hoover, the man Kennedy hated and was going to have removed from the position of Director.  JFK shot, and within days of Lyndon Johnson being sworn in as President, Johnson gave an executive order that made Hoover's position of Director of FBI for the rest of His life until He decided to retire. 

But, the smoking Gun of not only A Conspiracy, but one with Governmental insiders involved is that Kennedy Had drafted an Executive Order to see all US Soldiers out of Vietnam by the end of 1965. This order was amended after JFK was killed by His successor Lyndon B. Johnson to commit more troops to the effort rather than withdrawing them.  What's the implication or where? Here:

 The amended new executive order that over-ruled JFK's original was typed and dated as being written on November 21, 1963, the day before JFK was murdered. Now you cannot overide JFK's Presidential Order unless you know JFK won't be The President of The United States tomorrow and so can be overuled by the new President and His executive order. This clearly has strong implication that someone knew that JFK wouldn't be around uch longer and an end to His Presidency was imminent. To Me, someone as good as wrote JFK's Obituary a full day before He had died. Someone in Official Government seemed to wish to prepare that order knowing LBJ would soon be in a position to sign it into policy!
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Post by WelshChappie on October 28th 2016, 5:35 pm

With JFK people seem to always ask "Who would have a motive to kill JFK?"

 Well, it's more a "Who didn't hate JFK?" 

The People loved JFK for the most part, but those in powerful placed had all the reason and motive to want to see JFK gone. 

Both FBI and CIA Directors J. Edgar Hoover and Alan Dullas respectively hated Kennedy. Kennedy blamed the CIA for the disaster that was the Bay of Pigs and JFK sacked CIA Director and declared He would smash the Agency into a thousand pieces. Hoover knew that Kennedy being reelected meant He'd be next to be removed so both FBI and CIA high ups hated JFK. 

 MOB. 

 JFK's father went to the Chicago Crime Bosses and gave them His word that if they help to get His Son the Chicago vote, He'd personally give them His word they would be given an easy time. The Chicago Mob agreed and JFK Won the Chicago vote by a 78% majority which was higher than His average of 62% of the vote. Chicago basically won JFK the Presidency. 
 
 So after the MOB had done this for JFK sr, JFK Jr appointed Robert His younger Brother, as Attorney General. Robert Kennedy then announced, as Attorney General, He's declaring war on organized crime and proceeded to have many Bosses, under bosses and known members of Crime Families arrested and thrown in jail. The Mafia, specifically the Chicago outfit, were absolutely furious and quite understandably so. 

 The Warren Commission. . .  This Commission deserves to be given the same serious consideration as it has for Us the public, that being, zero. 

 Long Gunman, Lee Harvey Odd-ball did it all Himself from Texas School book Depository and etc...the end.

 This report seems to think I, you, and general Joe Public are idiotic retards. It must do, it tells me to:

 "Do not believe your own eyes Alex when you see a shot hit Kennedy in the frontal right lobe area and throw His head back and to the left as clear evidence of a shot from the front because We say it is not! You now are expected to believe our conclusion over your own eyes Alex, and do so at once."

 The laws of Motion, the Universal rule's known as 'Constants' because they neither change nor can they be suspended......  Except for on this one occasion. 

 The warren commission ask you to ignore that Universal Law Newton observed and declared:  "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction." because Newton is an idiot, and He's an idiot for not observing that His Law only applies to everything else in the Universe as a constant and never changes.... except on this one occasion and the half a second it took for the bullet to hit JFK and throw His head back. The Laws of Motion and Physics were suspended for a moment because the Commission and it's finding must ask Us to accept these laws were suspended in order to account for the Evidence in the Zapruder Film.
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Post by WelshChappie on October 28th 2016, 6:02 pm

You could have a second video of the assassination be revealed tomorrow filmed from the fence of the Grassy Knoll and the film showing James Files being interviewed declaring He's there to assassinate JFK and offer the cameraman to film away as He takes rifle, steadies on fence, takes aim, and fires the shot that hit's JFK and record James Files running away to a car and driving away with another individual. All this could be revealed and the press release would inform the public that The Government finds no new evidence of a conspiracy and second shooter, and we remind all of the public, anyone who doesn't believe us and our official version We will make sure is labelled 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Nut' a term now associated with lunatics, nut jobs and extreme ridicule. 


 "Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories!" The 43rd President of The United States, George W. Bush. That Texan and all round Intellectual Genius!

 "My Fellow Umbrella Stands, I have arrivafied here to give this Presidential undress tonight that I may offer My Congratualization to The successor and new Pressagent of The United States, Mr Borat Humane Bannanas!  This is My last speech as Official Pissant, and I want ya'll to know that the extremist that threw that nuclear weapon at Me called a shoe, Has been shotafied!"
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Post by Rocketman on October 29th 2016, 8:15 pm

The general public loved JFK for the most part, but there were plenty of folks with a motive. JFK wanting to pull out of Vietnam would have cost the US 'wamongers' billions of dollars, like you mentioned. JFK's brother fired Allen Dulles so there's his motive. Same thing with J. Edna Hoover. Like you said.

It's my opinion that yes, the mob and CIA worked together to get this job done.
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Post by Rocketman on October 29th 2016, 8:18 pm

ophion1031 wrote:There's no postmark on this one, but I do know it was mailed while Ruby was on trial; must have been Feb. 1964?



This guy even says "a man cannot shoot 3 bullets in 5 seconds" and then accuses Ruby of killing JFK.

What is the significance of this?
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Post by Eric X on October 29th 2016, 10:08 pm

George bush sr was involved to. he was in the cia at the time and lied later and said he wasn't in the cia AND he was in dallas that day
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Post by Metal Years on October 29th 2016, 10:38 pm

There's so much weirdness going on with LHO that I feel like he didn't act alone. However, no one's saying that he had help in his attempt to assassinate General Walker or murder Officer Tippet, are they?
I'm open-minded on the topic and feel like it's not outside the realm of possibility that Oswald acted alone, even tho' I think he probably didn't. LHO getting ambushed and killed the day after being busted is a VERY suspicious circumstance.

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Post by Eric X on October 29th 2016, 10:43 pm

from what ophion told me, there was some meeting at a dallas apartment where some of the players involved went over the plan and LHO was there along with jack ruby, dallas minutemen members and at least one person from the mob. LHO was lead to believe that he would be taking one shot from the book depository and there would be two other shooters. LHO was to meet his handler at that movie theater afterwards. he didn't shoot that dallas cop. he later put the pieces together and figured out that he was the patsy and he was the perfect choice for that
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Post by Eric X on October 29th 2016, 10:43 pm

why would a criminal scumbag like jack ruby kill Oswald unless it was to keep him quiet? ruby didn't give a shit about the assassination or Jackie Kennedy's feelings.
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Post by ophion1031 on October 29th 2016, 11:18 pm

Eric X wrote:from what ophion told me, there was some meeting at a dallas apartment where some of the players involved went over the plan and LHO was there along with jack ruby, dallas minutemen members and at least one person from the mob. LHO was lead to believe that he would be taking one shot from the book depository and there would be two other shooters. LHO was to meet his handler at that movie theater afterwards. he didn't shoot that dallas cop. he later put the pieces together and figured out that he was the patsy and he was the perfect choice for that

I don't know how accurate that story is/was that I told you, and I don't remember all the details of it now. But to the best of my memory, here is what happened...

Oswald, while in a cell at the Dallas jail, sees two men in handcuffs being escorted down the hallway by local police. One of the men has a busted up face and Oswald recognizes him from this meeting that you mentioned. The two men being escorted down the hallway were in a high speed chase the night before (I think) the assassination, and they crashed into a car or a telephone pole. There was an FBI agent on a stakeout who witnessed the two men make a gun exchange and drive off with a trunk full of weapons. I think the two men were Minutemen, or maybe it was the person or people in the car that dropped off the weapons. Anyways, there was a gun dealer in Dallas that was all tied into this somehow, but how is what I can't remember. This gun dealer was the supposed Oswald look-alike.

This meeting at the apartment... I think it was a few Dallas Minutemen, Oswald, Ruby, some military guy from a base in Texas, and others. David Ferrie may have been there even, but I really can't remember. There was more to the military guy's story, but I can't remember any of that either. I do recall something about weapons going missing from the base he was stationed at. I think he was a Minuteman as well. I had read some of this stuff before, but then read the story told by the FBI agent who was on stakeout and it all started to piece together. I wish I would have posted all of this or that I could find some of the old links where I read about all of this. As far as what you said about Oswald being told there would be more people involved, including two other shooters, well that was a guess on my part. BUT, there WAS a shooter on the grassy knoll, as well as a spotter and maybe even a third person. There WAS a shooter on a building near the building Oswald was in, and I'm pretty sure that shooter DID take a shot. Either he or Oswald missed and the other is responsible for the bullet that exited through the front of Kennedy's neck. And, of course, the fatal headshot was fired from the knoll. I believe, as do others, that Loran Eugene Hall was on the other building. Who was on the grassy knoll? I have no god damn clue. A man named Jimmy Files claims it was him, and he could very well be telling the truth. I think the shooter on the knoll was probably someone hired by the mob, and Files had mob ties..... I'm going to have to brush up on all of this and I will see if I can find any links or books that I can post.

One thing I would like to know is who the three tramps were and what their role was in the whole thing? The tall younger one may have been Woody Harrelson's father, Charles. Pretty wild stuff.
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Post by ophion1031 on October 29th 2016, 11:26 pm

Metal Years wrote:There's so much weirdness going on with LHO that I feel like he didn't act alone. However, no one's saying that he had help in his attempt to assassinate General Walker or murder Officer Tippet, are they?
I'm open-minded on the topic and feel like it's not outside the realm of possibility that Oswald acted alone, even tho' I think he probably didn't. LHO getting ambushed and killed the day after being busted is a VERY suspicious circumstance.

I never state opinion as fact, but I am 100% positive that Oswald did not act alone. It is physically impossible for him to have done what he was accused of doing. Pretty convenient that he was murdered before he could talk to a lawyer or anyone who wasn't a police officer. NO witnesses testified to the Warren Commission. The Warren Commission in general was just a colossal fuck up and massive cover up from the get go. Oswald could not have gotten off 3 shots in the amount of time the 3 shots were fired. His rifle was a piece of shit and he wasn't a very good marksman anyways. Yet he scored two hits, one a fatal headshot at a moving target from a good distance? And one of the bullets magically turned all these different directions and went through flesh a bunch of times? There is no way Oswald acted alone. Science backs that up.
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Post by Metal Years on November 26th 2016, 7:46 pm

Maybe LHO acted alone, but I doubt it. The single biggest reason to suggest a conspiracy is the him getting shot by Jack Ruby thing. I believe that the official party line reason for Jack R's action waz that Mr Ruby waz a big admirer of JFK and waz pissed that the president got shot AND that he wanted  to spare Mrs. Kennedy the ordeal of having to probably testify in court. While I concede that's a (VERY remote) possibility, I don't buy it. I feel strongly that there waz some other motivation, even if LHO really did act alone. If Lee Oswald waz freelancing, why did Jack Ruby kill his ass? I think that maybe LHO, a shady character, might have been involved in or at least been somewhat aware of some mob stuff. Maybe La Cosa Nostra waz worried that an Oswald trial for the Kennedy assassination might uncover some OTHER shit they didn't want public, even if they had nothing to do with the hit on JFK itself.
What got me to thinking all this is an interesting article I just read. Here's a link:
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-reston-jfk-assassination-target-20161122-story.html

Anyway, I hope everybody had a great Thanksgiving and God bless.

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Post by ophion1031 on November 26th 2016, 9:13 pm

Oswald knew of the plot but obviously didn't know he was the fall guy. And he was the perfect fall guy. The mob had Ruby kill Oswald to silence him when the first guy who was supposed to kill Oswald didn't get the job done.

Metal Years, what do you make of the handwriting on these letters?






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Post by ophion1031 on November 26th 2016, 9:16 pm

Look close at the letter B. Looks like "13" instead of "B" right? Look at the B in this Bates letter...



It's identical.
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Post by ophion1031 on November 26th 2016, 9:19 pm

In the Ruby letter, also notice the lower case v that looks like a check mark, the lower case g that looks like a 9, and the 3 stroke k.
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