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Post by ophion1031 on March 16th 2016, 2:48 am

Randall Clemons may have hit on something that he just posted on his website, http://www.zodiackillerenigma.com/

MASON & Geary... Mason = free masons?
WASHINGTON & Cherry... Washington = George Washington?

Randall looks at the case in a different way than most people, and I really like his way of thinking and the work he continues to put into his research. If anyone ever solves the case, I'd bet he will be the guy.


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Post by ophion1031 on March 16th 2016, 3:15 am

When I google "San Francisco freemasons 1969," I get a hit on the Potunk Lodge in New York. Their biggest even that year was the Annual Thomas Sinnickson Memorial Golf Outing. If you are familiar with Randall's work, you know that golf is a big part of his findings.

I would love to find a list off all freemason events in California to compare to important Zodiac dates just to see if anything comes of it.

The closest thing I have seen to the symbol on the Zodiac Halloween card is the freemason's symbol/logo.

I'm going to browse through this entire site and see if I can find anything... http://www.secretsocietieswebsite.com/freemasons-history-in-america/


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Post by ophion1031 on March 16th 2016, 3:23 am

Ohhhh shit.... The Lake Berressa attack took place September 29, 1969. The California Masonic Memorial Temple at 1111 California Street atop Nob Hill was dedicated on September 29, 1958. This building is located just a few blocks from where Paul Stine picked up his killer.

"The sculpture on the outside of the building, created by Emile Norman, is a war memorial, with the four 12-foot high figures representing the branches of the armed forces, as well as 14 marble figures engaged in a tug-of-war, representing the struggle between good and evil."
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Post by ophion1031 on March 16th 2016, 3:35 am

I googled "San Francisco freemasons October 11" to see if Paul Stine's murder could have fallen on the same date as anything significant. I'm not sure this is significant, but here is what I found:

Albert Pike Comes To Town

The alignment of the streets of downtown San Francisco in a truncated pyramid shape was perhaps best realized in the 1880’s when several significant events took place related to freemasonry. It was in the early 1880’s when Albert Pike, the leading Masonic figure of the time, came to California. The creator of Scottish Rite Southern Jurisdiction masonry Pike was a controversial figure, having, it is alleged, connections to the Ku Klux Klan, preaching a doctrine of Luciferism and founding a rogue military group.

In 1883 Pike established a Scottish Rite lodge in Oakland and in ceremonies at the Masonic Temple in San Francisco on October 11, the Oakland Lodge of Perfection was chartered. Pike declared of the California Freemasons, “we have nowhere a body of Masons more intelligent and socially respectable than in the Great Empire State of California.” While in San Francisco, Pike also chartered another, more obscure lodge, the Pythagoras Lodge of Perfection #11, although very little appears to be known of this lodge and its’ members.

Pike’s appreciation of the pyramid shape is noted by David Ovason in his book on Washington, DC’s Masonic history, ‘The Secret Architecture of Our Nations Capital’ (Harper Collins 1999). Speaking of the influences of ancient cultures on Masonic thought and the significance of the truncated pyramid, Ovason quotes Pike, “And our expression, that our Lodges extend upwards to the heavens comes from the Persian and Druidic custom of having to their temples no roofs but the sky.”

The truncated pyramid imagery is also a prominent part of Pike’s resting place. Pike is buried in the House of the Temple in Washington, DC. a building that, “bears a striking resemblance to the truncated pyramid seen on the enigmatic Great Seal of the United State-right down to the number of courses of stonework.” So it is quite likely that if the Masons were behind the creation of a pyramid shaped street alignment in San Francisco, Pike would have known about it upon his arrival to the Bay Area in 1883.

It was also during Pike’s stay that another, more obscure body came into existence in the Bay Area, the Masters of the Royal Secret. Little is known of this group. It was formed during ceremonies at the Oakland Masonic Temple at the corner of 12th St and Washington St. under the direction of Pike and Bay Area Masonic leader Edwin Sherman, cited as being a 32nd degree initiate. Could one of the secrets this group held involve the pyramid alignment in San Francisco? Perhaps, but it is worth considering several other incidents that took place in the early 1880’s.

1882 marked the 100th anniversary of the origination of Great Seal of the United States. Although a die for the reverse side of the Seal has never been officially cut, in 1882 a Centennial Medal, depicting the truncated pyramid and all-seeing eye was minted. It is quite probable that California Freemasons knew the image of the reverse of the Great Seal, especially since they were in close contact with Grand Master Albert Pike. Could Pike and Sherman have ensured that Montgomery Avenue would become a permanent fixture on the San Francisco map? Was part of the royal secret the embodiment of the Great Seal into America’s largest city?

Perhaps not coincidentally, 1882 also marked the completion of the new army headquarters at Black Point Ridge and the renaming of the post to Fort Mason. While it is generally believed that this renaming was in honor of Colonel Richard B. Mason , Halleck’s original benefactor, and the California governor during the Gold Rush, it is curious to note that the official website that highlights the history of Black Point Ridge, makes no mention of Richard B. Mason and notes simply that the military outpost, ”was renamed Fort Mason in 1882.” Could freemasons have been involved with the fort’s renaming? Could this also be part of the royal secret?
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Post by Dave Bauer on March 16th 2016, 8:20 pm

I like the idea of a group or cult of some sort being responsible. The Free Masons could be a good 'cult' to look into some more. I think they placed importance on symbols dates locations and times, correct?
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Post by Rocketman on March 16th 2016, 10:48 pm

I'm not so sure that dates, times or places were all that relavent with them but I might be wrong. TTTT I really don't know all that much about the free masons other than your basic things. Someone more knowledgeable could probably give a better answer.
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Post by Rocketman on March 16th 2016, 10:49 pm

The dedication ceremony of their SF building being on Sept 29 is something to look at though I will say that.
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Post by ophion1031 on March 17th 2016, 12:08 am

The Freemasons were into codes, ciphers, symbols, hidden messages etc... and I'm pretty sure things such as dates, times and locations were important to them. The number 13 is important to them, but I will have to brush up on my Freemason studies to remember why exactly, and we all know that the number 13 is important in the Zodiac case. I have seen some old Freemason codes that were very Kaczynski-like (math-like codes). They did use different types of codes, but this is what the basic ones look like...












Notice the dots just like in the Halloween card? Randall pointed that out in his work as well. The way the dots in the Halloween card are lined up looks exactly like dots that Freemason codes would have.


I have also read about old-school Freemasons (maybe even as far back as Benjamin Franklin) who made a bunch of connecting tunnels below a large part of the U.S. I don't remember very much about that, it's another thing I would have to brush up on. That would be crazy if it were true.


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Post by ophion1031 on March 17th 2016, 12:17 am

Also worth pointing out is something I read about the Freemasons a long time ago... they used maps to mark certain locations for whatever reason. Different points on these maps would make shapes or something along those lines. It made sense to them, whatever they were doing.

I'm not sure if any examples of this are posted online, but I will see if I can find any.

EDIT: I didn't read anything about this, so I have no idea what it is really, but this is an example of what I mean.



And I think that is exactly what Zodiac was getting at with his Phillips 66 map, was some sort of shape or another way to give locations to whoever was smart enough to figure this out.


If you're interested in this, you can also check out this link: http://www.cuttingedge.org/n1040.html

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Post by ophion1031 on March 17th 2016, 1:00 am

Gee, this sure looks like one of the twin towers on fire...



I'm not saying that's what it is or that I believe 9-11 was an inside job (although I wouldn't be surprised). Just thought I would post this here to spice things up a bit.
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Post by ophion1031 on March 17th 2016, 1:34 am

Click this link and read some interesting things!!
http://www.zodiackiller.com/mba/gzd/385.html

Someone called Daijove posted:
" Lapumo, the Masonic fraternity is represented by the oblong square with the soltice points at each corner with Osiris sitting in the center of the square as the "Lord of the Dead" this oblong square is called the Zodiac. Also Osiris is represented by the symbol Zodiac used. In the Osirian mysteries the sacred drama is carried out on a lake on a Saturday at the full moon. The ritual starts with the new moon and is completed at the full moon. The most sacred numbers in masonary are 3, 6 and 9. Everything in masonary is dependent on Sacred Geometry."

This just keeps getting better and better!!
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Post by ophion1031 on March 17th 2016, 1:45 am

I forgot that Randall has explained a lot of the masonic codes and how they are used by the Zodiac. Check this out...

http://www.zodiackillerenigma.com/2014/05/masonic-dot-codes-and-zodiac-killer.html
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Post by ophion1031 on March 17th 2016, 2:48 am

Randall, if you see this post, check this out... http://themanyfacesofthezodiac.com/tag/the-dupont-family-link-to-zodiac-killer/
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Post by Rocketman on March 19th 2016, 8:34 pm

This is all pretty fascinating stuff.
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Post by The Conquerer on March 20th 2016, 10:58 pm

I love this theory that Randal has presented but I don't see how it connects to 'JK Fry' and I couldn't find where that was explained.
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Post by Rocketman on March 21st 2016, 3:33 pm

The Conquerer wrote:I love this theory that Randal has presented but I don't see how it connects to 'JK Fry' and I couldn't find where that was explained.

I was wondering that too.
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Post by ophion1031 on March 22nd 2016, 1:17 am

This guy is probably too old, but was a Freemason and attended Riverside City College...

http://www.seeley-society.net/obits-ey/obit-michaelbarlowseeley.html

EDIT: Oh yeah, too old. Born around 1918 or 1919.
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Post by JohnFester on March 29th 2016, 12:25 am

I can't believe I haven't seen any of this until now. Interesting stuff. I will visit Randall's site tomorrow and read the entire thing. The Freemason angle is very interesting.
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Post by sandy betts on March 29th 2016, 10:17 pm

ophion1031 wrote:Ohhhh shit.... The Lake Berressa attack took place September 29, 1969. The California Masonic Memorial Temple at 1111 California Street atop Nob Hill was dedicated on September 29, 1958. This building is located just a few blocks from where Paul Stine picked up his killer.

"The sculpture on the outside of the building, created by Emile Norman, is a war memorial, with the four 12-foot high figures representing the branches of the armed forces, as well as 14 marble figures engaged in a tug-of-war, representing the struggle between good and evil."

Cecelia Shepard died on Sept 29th1969, but the actual attack took place two days before on Sept. 27th.

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Post by JohnFester on March 30th 2016, 12:00 am

LOL there goes that theory. Thanks for pointing that out Sandy.
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Post by JohnFester on March 30th 2016, 12:01 am

And I didn't mean there goes the freemason theory just meant there goes that possible link between Z and the freemasons.
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Post by sandy betts on March 30th 2016, 10:38 am

Well that is how we deduct things and move on to other investigative stuff. I don't want you or anyone to think that I want to prove anyone wrong and make me be the one in the right. It is about having the correct facts ,so we can get someplace with this very old cold case. I am not always correct , I do know the case pretty well though, because I have been doing it longer than most investigators have been alive .

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Post by JohnFester on March 30th 2016, 11:47 pm

Thank you for correcting a wrong. You're right about that. It was a good find but just wasn't accurate. Just got to keep digging away at the possible freemason/JK Fry link.
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Post by sandy betts on March 31st 2016, 11:18 pm

March 17th St Patty's day was Darlene's birthday. Myself and some of my friends ,make sure that we put flowers at her grave. Up until a year ago , " someone" would remove the flowers with in a few days.
What many don't notice, is the Free Mason symbol directly across the wall from Darelene's burial site. (About 8 feet away)
I thought that you would find that amusing.

Oct 12th1974 Arlis Perrys was killed inside the church at Stanford. Her body was posed in such a way, that it reminded me of the Freemason symbol. That is another victim I thought could have been murdered by Zodiac. Partly because of what Arlis wrote to one of her friends. She mentioned being in a elevator with a man who wouldn't say hello back to her when she said hello to him.

When my Zodiac suspect would come into my job, I made it a point to say hello to him. He didn't want to say anything back to me, so I got in his face as if he didn't hear me. After saying hello maybe 3 times ? He would mumble something in a gruff voice back to me and glared at me for daring to speak to him.So when I read about Arlis Perry , it reminded me of my poi.

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Post by JohnFester on April 1st 2016, 6:11 pm

Is there a thread on Arlis? That name sounds really familiar to me.

Can I find a pic inline of the free mason symbol near Darlene's grave?
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