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Post by Don Pseuym on June 29th 2016, 10:53 am

A lot has been suggested as to why Z came parked behind darlene and Mike but left the scene for 3-5 minutes .

I think it could be  going to attack a couple ,he only recognized Darlene after parking behind them when she turned around , and he did not want to kill her so he left  , but of course came back to do it , maybe thinking she would report the car and that she knew Z to police

as it is thought he had to have known Darlene to make the late night calls

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Post by ophion1031 on June 29th 2016, 7:44 pm

Scare tactics maybe?
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Post by ophion1031 on June 29th 2016, 7:47 pm

I agree that he and Darlene knew each other. I think we would have more answers if Darlene's sisters weren't bat shit crazy.

Don, check out my new POI in the secret suspect section and let me know what you think. The guy is barrel chested and looks just like the Stine sketch.
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Post by Rocketman on June 29th 2016, 8:29 pm

I have always wondered why he drove off and then came back. Don I think you are right that he wasn't intending on killing her but as he got a ways down the road he became very upset that she had a guy in her car and he snapped. I think that is why he turned around and came back to kill them both.
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Post by Rocketman on June 29th 2016, 8:31 pm

Btw, this is in the wrong place. This is the Faraday & Jensen section lol.
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Post by ophion1031 on June 29th 2016, 10:50 pm

Fixed.
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Post by Rocketman on October 5th 2016, 8:23 pm

There are numerous reasons why he could have drove off and came back. To scare them, like Oph said, or he was just planning to scare them but as he got down the road decided to kill them. Those are the 2 ideas we have so far. What are some others?
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Post by Sick E. Von Brutal on October 29th 2016, 10:13 pm

Rocketman wrote:There are numerous reasons why he could have drove off and came back. To scare them, like Oph said, or he was just planning to scare them but as he got down the road decided to kill them. Those are the 2 ideas we have so far. What are some others?

this is what I think to. maybe the guy was in love with Darleen and at first was just trying to scare them but then got pissed as he drove away because Darlene was with another man, or boy, and he then decided to go back and open fire
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Post by Metal Years on October 30th 2016, 6:11 pm

It seems that the idea that Z left BRS without doing any harm and then quickly  came back is universally accepted as established fact. But is it? Couldn't someone  pull in and not like the scene and speed away? Couldn't Z have arrived shortly after in a different, but similar, car? Isn't it possible that the first car and its driver had nothing to do with the second?

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Post by Rocketman on October 30th 2016, 8:01 pm

Metal Years wrote:It seems that the idea that Z left BRS without doing any harm and then quickly  came back is universally accepted as established fact. But is it? Couldn't someone  pull in and not like the scene and speed away? Couldn't Z have arrived shortly after in a different, but similar, car? Isn't it possible that the first car and its driver had nothing to do with the second?

Good question. I think Mageau's statement claimed that is how it happened, that Z pulled in behind them and then left and came back just a couple of minutes later.
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Post by Metal Years on October 30th 2016, 8:03 pm

Mike M could of been wrong.

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Post by Sick E. Von Brutal on October 31st 2016, 12:15 am

Darlene was known to be a slut. I hate to say it but it is true. I think zodiac probably had a thing for her and that is why he killed her and wounded mike but was intending to kill him too. he probably wasn't going to at first but had a change of heart once he got down the road and it hit him that she was at a makeout spot with someone else.
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Post by ophion1031 on November 5th 2016, 10:17 pm

Eric X wrote:Darlene was known to be a slut. I hate to say it but it is true. I think zodiac probably had a thing for her and that is why he killed her and wounded mike but was intending to kill him too. he probably wasn't going to at first but had a change of heart once he got down the road and it hit him that she was at a makeout spot with someone else.

It's hard to say really, but yeah Darlene did seem to get around so that very well could have caused jealousy in the wrong person.
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Post by Metal Years on November 5th 2016, 11:35 pm

ophion1031 wrote:
Eric X wrote:Darlene was known to be a slut. I hate to say it but it is true. I think zodiac probably had a thing for her and that is why he killed her and wounded mike but was intending to kill him too. he probably wasn't going to at first but had a change of heart once he got down the road and it hit him that she was at a makeout spot with someone else.

It's hard to say really, but yeah Darlene did seem to get around so that very well could have caused jealousy in the wrong person.

That is certainly a possibility. If Z waz familiar with the Vallejo area, as is speculated by most of us. he'd probably at least seen her around. And if Z is fat-ass ALA he probably went to IHOP a lot.

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Post by ophion1031 on November 6th 2016, 12:03 am

Metal Years wrote:
ophion1031 wrote:
Eric X wrote:Darlene was known to be a slut. I hate to say it but it is true. I think zodiac probably had a thing for her and that is why he killed her and wounded mike but was intending to kill him too. he probably wasn't going to at first but had a change of heart once he got down the road and it hit him that she was at a makeout spot with someone else.

It's hard to say really, but yeah Darlene did seem to get around so that very well could have caused jealousy in the wrong person.

That is certainly a possibility. If Z waz familiar with the Vallejo area, as is speculated by most of us. he'd probably at least seen her around. And if Z is fat-ass ALA he probably went to IHOP a lot.

Agreed. Darlene did spend a decent amount of time in SF as well, so another possibility is that Z had encountered her in SF and went to Vallejo to kill her for whatever reason. Maybe he met her in SF but would go to Vallejo to spend time with her. She could have angered him one night which is why David and Betty were murdered. And then Z had enough one night and killer Darlene as well. This is probably all just a far fetched idea, who knows.
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Post by Sick E. Von Brutal on November 6th 2016, 12:32 am

ophion1031 wrote:
Metal Years wrote:
ophion1031 wrote:
Eric X wrote:Darlene was known to be a slut. I hate to say it but it is true. I think zodiac probably had a thing for her and that is why he killed her and wounded mike but was intending to kill him too. he probably wasn't going to at first but had a change of heart once he got down the road and it hit him that she was at a makeout spot with someone else.

It's hard to say really, but yeah Darlene did seem to get around so that very well could have caused jealousy in the wrong person.

That is certainly a possibility. If Z waz familiar with the Vallejo area, as is speculated by most of us. he'd probably at least seen her around. And if Z is fat-ass ALA he probably went to IHOP a lot.

Agreed. Darlene did spend a decent amount of time in SF as well, so another possibility is that Z had encountered her in SF and went to Vallejo to kill her for whatever reason. Maybe he met her in SF but would go to Vallejo to spend time with her. She could have angered him one night which is why David and Betty were murdered. And then Z had enough one night and killer Darlene as well. This is probably all just a far fetched idea, who knows.

yeah probably is far fetched but you ccould be right. I think z was from the Vallejo area, knew the area, and knew Darlene and that he did have a thing for her which is why he killed her.
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Post by Don Pseuym on November 6th 2016, 7:17 pm

another posible theory
for some reason Darlene wanted to have Mike hurt or out of the way and at the IHOP ,met ALA or Z telling her dislike of Mike , maybe he owed her $$ and was not paying her back , was talking bad about her , she wanted him to leave her alone but he would not,why would she want a younger guy with no real future ?
She is hours late to pick up mike ( thinking of backing out of the plan or Z was not ready) ?
She drives through Rays ? Drive IN where Z is there so he can follow her to BRS the place they set up .
odd the attack is timed perfectly with the cops patroling BRS and heading back to vallejo just before it
Z gives a few min. for mike to start making out with Darlene or the other cars to leave , then pulls up behind them ,Z could shoot him through the pass window ,but Mike stays put
Z leaves thinks about aborting the plan , but drives back and goes to the passenger side ? why Darlene could have started the car and go out of there , if he shoots her 1st that won't work he can get mike easy enough still.
but shooting Mike, Darlene is hit with the bullets passing through him , now his only real choice is to kill both .
Z may have called her relatives to throw suspition on ALA



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Post by Sick E. Von Brutal on November 6th 2016, 9:19 pm

Don Pseuym wrote:another posible theory
for some reason Darlene wanted to have Mike hurt or out of the way and at the IHOP ,met ALA or Z telling her dislike of Mike , maybe he owed her $$ and was not paying her back , was talking bad about her , she wanted him to leave her alone but he would not,why would she want a younger guy with no real future ?
She is hours late to pick up mike ( thinking of backing out of the plan or Z was not ready) ?
She drives through Rays ? Drive IN where Z is there so he can follow her to BRS the place they set up .
odd the attack is timed perfectly with the cops patroling BRS and heading back to vallejo just before it
Z gives a few min. for mike to start making out with Darlene  or the other cars to leave , then pulls up behind them ,Z could shoot him through the pass window ,but Mike stays put
Z leaves thinks about aborting the plan , but drives back  and goes to the passenger side ? why Darlene could have started the car and go out of there , if he shoots her 1st that won't work he can get mike easy enough still.
but shooting Mike, Darlene is hit with the bullets passing through him , now his only real choice is to kill both .
Z may have called her relatives to throw suspition on ALA


I don't know, that seems like a major stretch to me. if Darlene wanted mike hurt or dead then why not just have someone do it when she wasn't around?
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Post by ophion1031 on November 9th 2016, 12:48 am

Eric X wrote:
Don Pseuym wrote:another posible theory
for some reason Darlene wanted to have Mike hurt or out of the way and at the IHOP ,met ALA or Z telling her dislike of Mike , maybe he owed her $$ and was not paying her back , was talking bad about her , she wanted him to leave her alone but he would not,why would she want a younger guy with no real future ?
She is hours late to pick up mike ( thinking of backing out of the plan or Z was not ready) ?
She drives through Rays ? Drive IN where Z is there so he can follow her to BRS the place they set up .
odd the attack is timed perfectly with the cops patroling BRS and heading back to vallejo just before it
Z gives a few min. for mike to start making out with Darlene  or the other cars to leave , then pulls up behind them ,Z could shoot him through the pass window ,but Mike stays put
Z leaves thinks about aborting the plan , but drives back  and goes to the passenger side ? why Darlene could have started the car and go out of there , if he shoots her 1st that won't work he can get mike easy enough still.
but shooting Mike, Darlene is hit with the bullets passing through him , now his only real choice is to kill both .
Z may have called her relatives to throw suspition on ALA


I don't know, that seems like a major stretch to me. if Darlene wanted mike hurt or dead then why not just have someone do it when she wasn't around?
I tend to agree with you, but then again... anything is possible. Maybe he wanted to hurt Mike in from of Darlene to send her a message and then decided to kill her.
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