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Post by WelshChappie on March 23rd 2017, 6:29 am

Forgot I had these till going through My older materials.

These are the latent prints lifted from the glass of the passenger door of Bryan Hartnell's Karmann Ghia as sent to Myself by Destry Hines from His Father Harvey's Material.


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Post by ophion1031 on March 29th 2017, 1:10 am

Hell yeah! Thanks for posting, very cool to see this!
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Post by WelshChappie on March 29th 2017, 4:46 am

ophion1031 wrote:Hell yeah! Thanks for posting, very cool to see this!

No probs :-)
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Post by ophion1031 on March 29th 2017, 8:41 pm

Are there any scars there? I'm not seeing any but isn't one of the fingers supposed to have some sort of scar?
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Post by WelshChappie on March 30th 2017, 1:31 pm

ophion1031 wrote:Are there any scars there? I'm not seeing any but isn't one of the fingers supposed to have some sort of scar?

Not sure I've heard of a scar, but I'm not saying your wrong Chad, it's probably more likely that I've just not heard about it. If there is said to be a scar on one of the fingers that left the prints at Lake B on Hartnells Car then there is, to My admitted untrained, Unqualified eye, what appears to be A scar on the 'Ring Finger' lift on the very left side edge of the print itself.

But again, I say that as an absolute Layman on the topic of Latent Fingerprint and how to compare and distinguish scars and marks from natural ridges and lines.
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Post by Eric X on April 2nd 2017, 8:21 pm

WelshChappie wrote:
ophion1031 wrote:Are there any scars there? I'm not seeing any but isn't one of the fingers supposed to have some sort of scar?

Not sure I've heard of a scar, but I'm not saying your wrong Chad, it's probably more likely that I've just not heard about it. If there is said to be a scar on one of the fingers that left the prints at Lake B on Hartnells Car then there is, to My admitted untrained, Unqualified eye, what appears to be A scar on the 'Ring Finger' lift on the very left side edge of the print itself.  

But again, I say that as an absolute Layman on the topic of Latent Fingerprint and how to compare and distinguish scars and marks from natural ridges and lines.

I could be wrong but I think that was part of the 'evidence' against earl van best was that he had the same scar as the zodiac print
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Post by Galaxie500 on April 8th 2017, 6:58 am

ophion1031 wrote:Are there any scars there? I'm not seeing any but isn't one of the fingers supposed to have some sort of scar?

It's purported that one of the prints lifted from Paul Stine's cab has a scar  -





http://zodiackillerfacts.com/zodiac-theories/the-accused-the-accusers/earl-van-best-jr-gary-stewart/

"Gary Stewart’s book offered the only “direct evidence” said to link Earl Van Best, Jr. to the Zodiac crimes. On page 329, Stewart and co-author Susan Mustafa stated that Lieutenant Bob Garrett examined the fingerprints found at the scene of the Zodiac’s last known crime, the killing of cab driver Paul Stine in San Francisco. Garrett stated that he could not make a positive match between the possible Zodiac fingerprints and the fingerprints of Earl Van Best. Instead, Garrett provided a visual comparison for Stewart and Mustafa which showed a possible Zodiac fingerprint and Best’s fingerprint. According to Stewart and Mustafa, both fingerprints showed what appeared to be a scar. However, Garrett was forced to reverse the Zodiac fingerprint in order to align the possible scar on the correct side in order to match the same possible scar on the Best fingerprint. Stewart and Mustafa believed that the aligned scars on both fingerprints served as compelling evidence that Best killed Paul Stine.

A report written by SFPD Inspector William Hamlet described the fingerprints found at the crime scene:

“All of the latent prints in our case were obtained from a taxi cab. The latent prints that show traces of blood are believed to be prints of the suspect. The latent prints from right front door handle are also believed to be prints of the suspect. These prints are circled with a red pen. The other latent prints many of which are very good prints, may or may not be the prints of the suspect in this case”

The fingerprint isolated and compared by Stewart, Mustafa and Garrett was not among those latent fingerprints which were circled in red as stated in the SFPD report. The fingerprint was found at the crime scene but no one knew if that fingerprint actually belonged to the killer. Further, the only way to link Earl Van Best to the crime relied on assuming that the print was left by the killer and then reversing the image of that print. As a further stretch, the assumption that the print was valid and the reversal of the image did not produce any match between the fingerprint found at the crime scene and Best’s fingerprint. The reversal only changed the placement and alignment of a line which may or not be a scar. The faint line which appears to run through the fingerprint in question could have been produced by some feature or indentation on the surface of the cab where the print was obtained."


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Post by WelshChappie on April 8th 2017, 5:05 pm

<<Laughing at the claim above lol. This is what I see it essentially saying:

"Well We couldn't compare this print scientifically for a positive match between the two prints and so, instead, what We did was We proceeded to stand there and look at them to see if could detect similarities. Upon undertaking this venture We noted that both Un-Sub's print and Mr Van Best's both appeared to show a scar on the finger itself. This was a perfect match after we turned the one print upside down and back to front to make the evidence, now completely useless, fit.

Conclusion: After careful consideration we concluded that We scientifically stood there and looked at both prints and after seeing no similarities whatsoever, we took Un-Sub print and fucked around with it until one little solo feature looked  a little bit similar to Mr Van Best Suspect ever!"


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Post by WelshChappie on April 8th 2017, 5:20 pm

Press report around time of Van Best Suspect book release. . .

"Van Best's associate, Cory Skyler Drouillard, said there is more evidence Van Best is the killer. He says that prints from the right index fingers of both the Zodiac killer and Van Best clearly have a scar.

Stewart claims to have 'legally sound' and 'forensic evidence' that proves that Van Best is the man responsible for one of America's biggest unsolved crimes.
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Yeah, I can claim an ability to teleport Myself around the Universe at will too, and if I have absolutely no proof or evidence to back up my f***** stupid claim then I'm a bit of a tit who is saying:

Look at Me everybody.... I can vanish from this spot and teleport myself to ehhh, to the andromeda Galaxy where I fly all around the Galaxy eves dropping on Aliens. True story! Sorry but I cannot show Proof of claim because the CIA will assassinate Me for revealing the secrets of 'Project Whooosh'
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Post by ophion1031 on April 10th 2017, 8:02 pm

Thanks for that info, Alex. I never knew about a possible scar until Stewart's book came out. But now we know that it is not 100% certain that the print lifted from Stine's cab has a scar.
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Post by WelshChappie on April 13th 2017, 4:54 pm

ophion1031 wrote:Thanks for that info, Alex. I never knew about a possible scar until Stewart's book came out. But now we know that it is not 100% certain that the print lifted from Stine's cab has a scar.

But He has '100% proof' that Mr Stewart, the one man band, has done what Toschi, Armstrong, Narlow and Co. from around 4 police agencies and two Sheriffs Dpts. failed to do as a collective effort.

And the survey says. . .  F Off!

If there really was any forensic link or a fingerprint match between the Un-Sub latent and any suspect then it wouldn't be a claim used first by an author, it would be 'Exhibit A' for the prosecution as it attempts to convict the person for whom the physical evidence matches.

I mean He's saying "We have scientific proof that this suspect is Zodiac but We haven't told Law Enforcement because We don't want to have them clarify what We know and thus giving our book instant credibility and likely cause the No. of book's sold to rocket by 50% more! No, We instead would require You, the reader, to take the authors word for this without any evidence the claim is even half true. Mr G. Stewart: Chair of 'The Gullible Idiotic Citizens Appreciation Society.'

I have physical evidence as to the identity of He who is called 'Jack the Ripper', the mysterious killer responsible for, and the first officially recognised, modern day Serial Killer. Now I hear readers already asking, they are asking: "Really Alex?? How does One know this then?"  The answer is simple, He told Me himself yesterday as He delivered post to My residence! Yes! Jack is now working for The Royal Mail Service!

Shut up and don't ask Me for proof, just feel completely free to accept everything I say as the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but, the truth so Help Me Mod!
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Post by Eric X on April 15th 2017, 8:07 pm

but the funny thing is that no law enforcement official has ever said anything about a matching fingerprint. if stewart was telling the truth about a fingerprint match then someone in LE would have made some sort of an announcement right?
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Post by WelshChappie on April 18th 2017, 8:39 am

Eric X wrote:but the funny thing is that no law enforcement official has ever said anything about a matching fingerprint. if stewart was telling the truth about a fingerprint match then someone in LE would have made some sort of an announcement right?

That is due to a thing called there isn't one. . . except in Mr Stewpots World where claiming there is/was pre book release is a not just Him and His publisher spending money to market a claim to fgive the book, it's author and the claims found therein more credibility.

It's like My new paper-back due for release in 5 days time entitled "The Son of Sam Harvey Oswald speakith!!" Sub-title: "Son of the lone Wolf assassin evil thingy whatever speaks out!"

1 day before the books release I market the propaganda "DNA conclusively proves I am 99.999999% positive Lee Harvey had son! DNA proves this was ME!! (I think, anyway!")

I suppose I don't blame Him for trying to boost book sales from 31 copies sold in first 7 days to 39 sold by issuing 'A Factual Statement with no proof to support it whatsoever'.

"And in at No. 1 on the New York's best non-sellers list is 'y dad is the Zowdeewhack: A World First and Absolutely Exclusive claim that nobody has made before except the 50 or so who already have! This time, We can show proof this claim is accurate! Please go away and come back next week for proof positive of claim made! Then come back the week after that and etc, etc, and obviously....Etc! "
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Post by WelshChappie on April 18th 2017, 8:48 am

Former Dpt. Prime Minister The Rite Honorable Nick Clegg MP:

You have also left people, who are disappointed, even angry, that you couldn;t back up all of your promises and above all our promise that We can prove our claims you'll see.... to Welsh Chap, I would say this....

Yes we made a claim before the publication date that we would show proof for anyone to see, we'd show proof for anyone to see, we would shw the proof for everyone to see, and this was a pledge made with the best intentions for book sales and We agree we shouldn't make claims we are not absolutely sure we can show proof for..

I'M SORRRY, I'M SORRY, MR STEWPOT IS SO SO SOWWY BUT THERES NO EASY WAY OF SAYING WE ARE SOWWY!"

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Post by Eric X on April 19th 2017, 8:19 pm

I figured stewie was full of shit but wasn't sure. did you see his story is being made into a movie? I think I read it will be a tv movie but I don't remember the specifics.
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