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Did Darlene know her killer?

Post by ZodeMode on July 1st 2015, 12:29 am

This is a very popular topic amongst the Zodiac crowd. I think she did know her killer based on the statement of Mike Mageau, who said that when the car pulled up behind them and he asked Darlene 'who is that?' she replied with 'don't worry about it.'

That tells me that she did know who it was. There was also talk of her saying something about how the guy would kill her if she knew she was on a date or something like that, but I don't think anyone knows if that is true or not.

Another theory I have heard that could make some sense is that Darlene was into the drug scene. Not sure if she used or not, but it is rumored that she was somehow involved with some sort of drug distribution.

One last thing I want to mention is that Darlene seemed to 'get around.' She was on husband #2 at the time of her death and was still dating Mageau, who was a friend of her husband. I hate to imply that she was a slut or anything, but it sure seemed like she was. Mageau also mentioned that Darlene was seeing his brother too.
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Post by MandaSkunk on March 7th 2016, 11:07 pm

I say yes based on all of the info. But what was the reason he killed her? Was he in love with her and jealous because she was sleeping with who knows how many people? Was she involved in a drug ring? Or did she just do something to piss the guy off?

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Post by sandy betts on March 28th 2016, 11:33 am

If she was involved in the counterfeit ring and I have good reason to believe that she was. Spending a lot of money like on her new home, could upset the others involved, because they like to keep a low profile.
Don Porter lighting $20.00 bills on fire and lighting ladies cigarettes with them , had to really upset the guys in that ring.
That was how he was caught. The "ring leader" told him how to get a lighter sentence and he was out in a flash.

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Post by JohnFester on April 1st 2016, 6:19 pm

Good point. It's not like they were making much money so buying a new home that could explain how they afforded it. I wonder if the "ring leader" you mentioned was also "Honcho" in the other thread you mentioned.

I don't know I just have a gut feeling that Darlene knew her killer and was murdered because she either pissed off someone who had a crush on her and wouldn't give him the time of day, or she was involved in drugs and/or counterfeiting and pissed off somebody in that group.I don't think she was just a random victim.
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Post by sandy betts on April 1st 2016, 10:58 pm

I agree, she was not random, but they had to make it look that way, or the police would have had to look into everything she had been doing.
Making it look random would stop all of that and so far it has worked.

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Re: Did Darlene know her killer?

Post by ophion1031 on April 4th 2016, 3:23 am

sandy betts wrote:I agree, she was not random, but they had to make it look that way, or the police would have had to look into everything she had been doing.
Making it look random would stop all of that and so far it has worked.

Agreed 100%!! I wonder if any of the other victims were random, but I honestly don't think that Darlene was.
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Post by sandy betts on April 4th 2016, 8:18 am

I personally think she was the only one that wasn't random. The others I think were to help make it look like a madman was on the loose killing at random.
It was thought that Betty Lou was Darlene's babysitter, we found out that was not true. It was also said that Darlene knew Stine and he gave her rides in his cab, Not true, Stine wasn't a cab driver when Darlene was alive. No proof either that Darlene knew Cecelia. These were things that were told by Pam , Darlene's sister. She was correct in one of her beliefs as well as mine , Darlene is the key to the Zodiac case .

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Post by ophion1031 on April 23rd 2016, 11:53 pm

I agree. I also think Darlene was the only victim that the killer knew on a personal level. I had wondered about the other victim's being in the wrong place at the wrong time, or was there some connection?

EXAMPLE: Zodiac felt the need to kill someone who was the exact height as David Faraday and that is why David was killed. That is a horrible example haha.
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Post by sandy betts on April 24th 2016, 8:02 am

The theory that I have had for yrs now about Paul Stine being chosen and it had to do with my other suspect. Is that Stine was a dead ringer for my other slightly smaller suspect. I think that the suspect somehow had seen Paul, either when he had the accident days before Oct 11th or at Paul's insurance job? He see's the opportunity to get a ID of a man who looks just like him. He needed it to transport the drugs across the border, because of his last name being Hispanic. When a person try's to go back and forth across the boarder from Mexico with a Hispanic name, they are searched. Having drugs and the last name of Stine , your chances are 99 percent better. I was never searched and I went to Mexico many times to shop for jewelry and purses. That is why I believe that Zodiac kept the wallet with Paul's drivers license and never mailed it to prove he was the killer. Instead he sent in parts of the shirt. My thoughts on that theory came to me the first time I saw Paul's picture. I knew that one of my suspects looked just like Paul. My other thought about that crime, was that Zodiac didn't phone the police that night. I think it was because he wasn't driving anywhere passing any phone booths, he was inside of one of the homes near the crime scene and couldn't take a chance that he would be traced. Not that he owned one of those homes , but that he rented a room for a week or so. I did check and found that people did rent rooms for a little as one day in that neighborhood. Bottom line is that perhaps Paul Stine was another victim who was not random ?
One of the posts above mentioned Zodiac's car being behind Darlene's car when Mike said : who is that ? The car was parked parallel to Darlene's car when Mike said that. So it was at that time that Mike got to see what the shooter looked like. Many people forgot about that and thought that Mike couldn't see what the shooter looked like , because the flash light was in his face. Mike saw him well enough to describe the round face with curly brown hair , a head taller than Darlene's car ( Meaning short rather than tall ). He saw him well enough that Zodiac had to make sure Mike was dead, so he went back to the car and shot him two more times.

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Post by ophion1031 on April 25th 2016, 12:17 am

That is a very interesting theory. I also have never been searched going into or coming back from Mexico. It seems like if you're white, they do let you cross rather easily. You need a passport now, of course.

If true, I wonder if this guy DID ever use Stine's ID to transport drugs.

I also believe Zodiac went into a house after the shooting. I wonder if the police checked rental records from the area. Probably not.

Here's a question... something I have been wondering. Was there another person in the cab? Did Stine pick up more than one person? I'm not sure if that is mentioned in his log book or not. But my thought is that maybe one person got out at Washington and Maple and then the other person had Stine go up to Washington and Cherry. I actually had a dream about that recently and was wondering if it could be possible. Maybe they pretended they had a car parked in the area but couldn't remember the exact location so the first man got out to look around Washington and Maple. That probably sounds really stupid, and I am wondering why yhe hell I dreamed that.
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Post by sandy betts on April 25th 2016, 6:42 am

There were witnesses who saw the man get into the cab in front of the Saint Frances Hotel. One was a waitress who served him coffee , thought he was strange and watched him walk across the street and get into the cab. so there was only Paul and the shooter in the cab. For me it was obvious that the true destination was Maple, but the Zodiac thought that would point to where he was really going, so to throw the police off his trail, he said to go one more block. That is why he was later spotted back near Maple, because that was closer to where he was really going.

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Post by ophion1031 on April 26th 2016, 12:37 am

Thanks for that info, I was unaware that someone had seen anyone get into Stine's cab that night.

I wonder if he was wanting to commit the murder at Washington and Cherry so that someone who lived right there would get frightened, but Zodiac may have thought this person lived at Washington and Maple.

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Post by sandy betts on April 26th 2016, 8:54 am

Another cab driver saw the Zodiac get into Stine's cab as well. The cab drivers would line up one behind the other at places where most people would get a ride. The major hotel's down town is mostly where you would find them lined up like that.
Interesting bit of information that I and Ed N found ,was that the family who were staying at the House on the corner of Washington and Cherry had a brother who was staying at a home near the corner of Washington and Maple. Not sure of the Spelling of their last name, but it was close to Schanterelli. The family worked for the previous owner M. Augsbury. After she died they stayed in the home until it was sold. How we came across the info, was we wanted to prove one way or the other that Robt.Hunter was not living there as Harry Martin claimed. The police never thought to check the homes for the killer. The owners of these mansions didn't get permits or report that they had renters , so the renters don't even show up in the city directories, unless they had their own separate phone hooked up. I believe that Zodiac was either house sitting, or rented a room because he needed to be there for some reason? My thought about the reason was because there were a few homes near by either on Jackson or Washington (I forgot which street it was ) that were under construction/ renovation.

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Post by sandy betts on April 26th 2016, 9:12 am

One of my suspects was in construction, at least he was when I took his picture in Aug. 1990. The other worked at the University Of Berkeley as a book binder/ printer.
A long time ago I read where some detectives felt that the killer could have been a book binder. I about fell out of my chair when I read that one ! It must have had something to do with the paper he was using or something else that only a book binder would have?
A light just went off above my head , Dave Toschi told me that Zodiac used something strange to seal his envelopes !!!!!!
That could be why when the Zodiac was no longer working at UCB his letters were thought to be fake, because he didn't have access to the glue he had used before?
None of the letters that were sent to me had anything like that on the envelopes. Some didn't have envelopes, they were put in my mail box or handed to my friend and told to give it to me. The only one that was handed to me was the horoscope note telling me I was bright. My ego was inflated with that note, was the only reason I hung onto it LOL. I didn't recognize the writing to be like Zodiac's at that time.

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Post by ophion1031 on April 30th 2016, 9:19 pm

sandy betts wrote:One of my suspects was in construction, at least he was when I took his picture in Aug. 1990. The other worked at the University Of Berkeley as a book binder/ printer.
A long time ago I read where some detectives felt that the killer could have been a book binder. I about fell out of my chair when I read that one ! It must have had something to do with the paper he was using or something else that only a book binder would have?
A light just went off above my head , Dave Toschi told me that Zodiac used something strange to seal his envelopes !!!!!!
That could be why when the Zodiac was no longer working at UCB his letters were thought to be fake, because he didn't have access to the glue he had used before?
None of the letters that were sent to me had anything like that on the envelopes. Some didn't have envelopes, they were put in my mail box or handed to my friend and told to give it to me. The only one that was handed to me was the horoscope note telling me I was bright. My ego was inflated with that note, was the only reason I hung onto it LOL. I didn't recognize the writing to be like Zodiac's at that time.

I always thought there was a connection to Berkeley, but was never sure why. Just a hunch I suppose. Interesting info about the envelopes. That note you are talking about looks identical to me. Have any handwriting experts compared it?
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Post by ophion1031 on April 30th 2016, 9:26 pm

I may have dreamed this a couple years ago, but wasn't there another cabbie shot within a couple miles of where Stine was shot, and I want to say it was a year or two prior... I think this cabbie was able to drive himself to the hospital and ended up living. Maybe I did dream that, I have no idea.
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Post by sandy betts on April 30th 2016, 9:39 pm

Your first question was did any experts look at the writing ? Yes, one said that it was too much like the Zodiac's to be from him. Another just said no.

Your question about another Cab driver shot, yes his last name was Jarmen I believe and I think it was after Stine, he also died. It is in Zodiac unmasked , but not sure . I think the cab company was Allied ?

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Post by ophion1031 on April 30th 2016, 9:45 pm

It looks too much like Zodiac's to be his? Hmmmm... that is kinda weird. Thanks, I am going to do some research on the Jarmen murder again. I read something a while back about a lawsuit between a bunch of independent cabbies and small cab companies against Yellow Cab because Yellow Cab was basically the Walmart of the Cab world, trying to bully others out. I think I posted something about it, but will have to check again. It would kinda suck if Stine's murder was because of some sort of cab dispute like that.
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Post by Sick E. Von Brutal on October 29th 2016, 10:17 pm

I think Darlene did know her killer. maybe not but probably did. it just seems more likely that she did than the other way around.
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